Modders did it to themselves

Exactly what would this achieve? Not that I am endorsing anything, but driving players away, no matter how many, is a very poor choice to make at this point.

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Originally Posted by TeresaFortell

Exactly what would this achieve? Not that I am endorsing anything, but driving players away, no matter how many, is a very poor choice to make at this point.

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When a certain portion of the community engages in dangerous behavior, then it's in the best interest of the company to reduce their harm, even if it costs them subscribers.

There is a reason a bartender is required by law in some places to cut a person off once they become visibly drunk. "But they won't sell as many drinks!" They don't want to be responsible for a drunk driver either.

SE tried to let the mod community self police to some extent for years - but it's gotten to the point where the FFXIV tag is unrecognizable as the same game in some social media platforms because there are so many mods in the "screenshots."

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Originally Posted by celi85

I can only hope that SE pursues other third party tools because there are much worse things than cosmetic mods on 'You-Know-What' and the average raider cannot tell their ass from their elbow without said tools. You pushed the envelope and kept pushing until it went too far and now you're upset there's consequences, boo hoo.

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I've said this elsewhere, but it bears repeating. You do not want this anymore than the people utilizing those tools do. The sheer amount of third party usage nowadays is massive, and will lead to a not insignificant amount of players unsubbing from the game. If just a mere 10% of the playerbase quit due to third party tools being completely axed, that's a loss of over 15M annually.

Do you really think SE will shrug off such a loss? They won't. They'll slash XIV's budget to compensate for it, thus leading to even less content. The reality is we've long moved past the point of no return. If the devs wanted to crack down on third party, they needed to do so years ago before it took off. Mare stepped way out of bounds with how blatant people got. Hence the result. That being said, there's no shot they go after the players--specifically a launcher everyone knows about. It's simply not worth the financial backlash.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

*snip* Plus, with credit card companies restricting how purchasing adult content is done, tool-that-shall-not-named very well could've run into legal issues completely separate from SE as it was popular for spreading adult content.

(That could also be why SE would want to take action and take it down. They don't want to deal with all of that from a mod tool that they don't allow in their ToS.)

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This is likely the reason for the whole issue - I actually question if this was even SE that approached the creator.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

This is likely the reason for the whole issue - I actually question if this was even SE that approached the creator.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...45e24eeed5fe9&

The server contained posts of Floof mentioning they were "very close to being able to afford a house" too just before the shutdown. I, unfortunately, can not provide proof of this however. So it is ultimately just hearsay.

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Originally Posted by Valence

The problem with that reasoning is that since everything is clearly laid out in the TOS yet nothing is done consistently in its application, from crackdowns on mods, cheats or even milder things like ingame harassment or toxicity, then we're left with people essentially left in the dark as to what are their true policies. Not that it excuses or justifies breaking the actual TOS, but what matters is the policies used in application which are what define the actual rules, not the written TOS, if both are worlds apart like they are.

Edit: also, just food for thought, the more you crack down on something illegal, the more underground you push it, and the more unsavory that something will become.

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The Rule was the first Rule of Fight Club - "Shut the F up about what you are doing."

It was said several times "We cant scan your PC and we wont".

But no the Modders couldnt keep their mouth shut. They only ones to blame are those stupids who couldnt follow that simple rule for once.

It really doesn't matter.
A new one will be online within a month, and probably won't play as nice with keeping questionable content off of it's servers.
It really won't have a reason to try to remain in "good faith" so to speak when the last one that did it got nuked.
Sad but it is what it is.

Then the forums can go back to seething that someone else is having fun at that point.

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Originally Posted by Valence

The problem with that reasoning is that since everything is clearly laid out in the TOS yet nothing is done consistently in its application, from crackdowns on mods, cheats or even milder things like ingame harassment or toxicity, then we're left with people essentially left in the dark as to what are their true policies. Not that it excuses or justifies breaking the actual TOS, but what matters is the policies used in application which are what define the actual rules, not the written TOS, if both are worlds apart like they are.

Edit: also, just food for thought, the more you crack down on something illegal, the more underground you push it, and the more unsavory that something will become.

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Aye, that's been my biggest reasons for why I've spoken up against the banning.

1. It's wildly inconsistent for Square-Enix to only target Mare.
2. It's wildly inconsistent for other players to only want Mare gone.

If Square-Enix was taking out every mod, and the people celebrating the death of Mare were also begging for every other mod to be killed off, my opinion would be far different because at least there's some integrity in the company decision and player sentiment, as opposed to this self-righteous and selective hypocrisy where some of the same people mocking Mare's removal then proceeded to clutch their ACT and Cactbot's tightly and say "no no, these are TOTALLY not the same thing" when they absolutely are.

If this was just Square-Enix using the ToS as is written and enforcing it in full nuclear mode, oh well, it's literally there in fine print that we all signed to not use ANY mods. It's the disingenuous nature of it all, the favoritism even, from them and other people in the community that I find disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

The Rule was the first Rule of Fight Club - "Shut the F up about what you are doing."

It was said several times "We cant scan your PC and we wont".

But no the Modders couldnt keep their mouth shut. They only ones to blame are those stupids who couldnt follow that simple rule for once.

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Whilst have no lines in this play personally, I have to agree with this.

As said in the now-deleted thread, some modders became far too confident in how "untouchable" they thought it was
(quotes from the forum - plenty of similar minded posts on social media too):
https://i.imgur.com/UXfEPau.png

https://i.imgur.com/7aia3uj.png

https://imgur.com/ZGhes30

Which no doubt led to so many thinking it was okay to advertise their use of it on their adventurer plates etc.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Whilst have no lines in this play personally, I have to agree with this.

As said in the now-deleted thread, some modders became far too confident in how "untouchable" they thought it was
(quotes from the forum - plenty of similar minded posts on social media too):
https://i.imgur.com/UXfEPau.png

https://i.imgur.com/7aia3uj.png

https://imgur.com/ZGhes30

Which no doubt led to so many thinking it was okay to advertise their use of it on their adventurer plates etc.

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That is naive, and all those used it and got dependent on it, knew from the beginning it could go away for eternity as well or at least temporary.

It is as simple as that.

That does not mean things goes away entirely of course.