Please Remove/Limit Premades Parties in Frontlines (or nerf DRK/WAR)

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Nah, my sole contribution doesn't mean crap. If I'm up against a premade, I've got nothing that's going to counter that and it's just a matter of trying to not end up in 3rd

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You don't actually need to try and hard counter the enemy team alone, you know. Anything to break up their formation will help your team.

Dropping a Comet in the midst of the enemy team would force them to scatter and desync burst. Firing a MCH LB at the RPR might force them to instinctively Guard, which desyncs them from the rest of the burst. Diving in on a tank and then splitting off from your group would very likely split off half their team to chase you down, reducing their firepower.

Basically anything you can do to delay the enemy burst helps your team out, the only problem then would be on whether or not your team has the awareness to not die, which is something no one but themselves can help with.

Do you know purify works against draw in now? And since you arr just farming series xp, you can just do roulette everyday, And you will reach level 25 without too much trouble

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Nah, my sole contribution doesn't mean crap. If I'm up against a premade, I've got nothing that's going to counter that and it's just a matter of trying to not end up in 3rd, and if I've got the premade on my side instead, I know they've got the match on lock and I could spam the 1-button for all the difference it'll make to the outcome.

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Your own attitude is contributing to the outcome. As others have said, you can disrupt premades but it takes effort. Don't just throw your hands up. This attitude and the feeders and AFKers are what gets me in matches.

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

Do you know purify works against draw in now? And since you arr just farming series xp, you can just do roulette everyday, And you will reach level 25 without too much trouble

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He probably didn’t realize you can pre cast Purify now to neutralize DRK drawn in or Warrior pull
Kinda pathetic to see him still scapegoating DRK and premade and never face his own issue

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

snip cuz character limit on this post

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MCH main right? Well, I admit things are more hands-tied in terms of what you can do as that job, but you do have a snipe that's in the strongest state it's been so far. Gets pretty silly when you're on a cap point in Secure with Bravery in tow, and Chainsaw on top if the target's any closer. Really silly stuff. In less niche instances well... sniping a DRK as they tromp in with possible LB is not a good pick unless you spot the moment they're held down by an unpurgeable cc. You could fire a warning shot at any of their backline cheerleaders though, as heavy damage taken in an instant tends to give most anyone the willies, causing them to fold early.

So all in all, it's still something. Just a matter of timing. I know there's plenty of MCHs that'll send out an LB on just about anything, and naturally you don't want to be one of those. When the target is a currently overwhelmed BRD and it's on 10% when they LB. Yeah. One of those. Nah. You probably know all that though.

Apart from a couple of ranged jobs, melee tend to carry abilities that are far more impactful. As a melee main, I'm almost always seeing options in my approach, and ways to disrupt bothersome groups. That's whether they be of the padding, headhunting or plain tryharding ilk. On the flipside, when I'm just too tired to focus I'll hop on a ranged when I don't care to win/lose and just want to get my roulette done in a hurry (a rare thing normally.)

Anyway, all this is to say that the ambient cohesion of randos can trump an alliance with premades. It absolutely does happen. I can attest to it, others are attesting to it. It's not that rare if that alliance you're in is even slightly willing to bare fangs. The only other stumbling blocks that come to mind is a of lack of amenability to trust enough, and also a misunderstanding of what personal survival thresholds actually are going from situation to situation, that hold some of the more eager but casual combatants back. (Think apprehensive shiffle-shuffles, treating their health bar as if it'll only take one hit to die to anything.)

One last one I suppose, but composure check. That's always there, which wraps around back into being an attitude issue I guess. Make no mistake I'm not trying to dismiss or trivialize your frustrations, a lot of the conduct can get into eye-rolly stuff but... the doom and gloom surrounding this matter is honestly overstated.

Btw, Dynamis? Is Dynamis any different from the other US DCs? That's actually the one place I haven't rolled up on, so just wondering.

I'm not sure I'll ever understand why people intentionally queue for a team-based game mode and then complain that people are... working together as a team. :confused:

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

I'm not sure I'll ever understand why people intentionally queue for a team-based game mode and then complain that people are... working together as a team. :confused:

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It’d sure be nice if people played as a team. hard enough to get people on useful jobs and even harder for them to not squander their kit.

It’s funny how OP is competent enough to understand how teamwork and job specialization works, but not enough to use it themselves.

You’re all doing the same thing in PvE. You press all your big buttons at the same time as everyone else and you dodge the yellow circles on the ground. The only difference with PvP is that they don’t line up your CDs for you and the Yellow circles look like Salted Earth.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

<so so going over the character limit with this one>

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Okay lemme try to pick through this via the screenshots. It's tough though, given we're not seeing the top values of every section. But yeah I'll try.

First one the AST may be in a premade, but without seeing the whole board it's hard to make a proper assessment. Apart from... that's a bot match. Your side likely didn't even have to do much apart from touch tomeliths, and I'm guessing engaged in a little gratuitous spawn-camping vs red. That doesn't look like players unable to do stuff so much as players unwilling to do stuff. You claim newbies though, so there's a slim avenue for a benefit of the doubt.

Second screenshot I have no idea what the deal is with those turnouts so I'm skipping that. That would've been a "???" match in my books. Not much of anything going on there and one premade playing yeah. Very "???" match. "I just want my xp" on a grand scale, a match I'd half want to dip from rather than play to its end, ngl.

Third one is a little unclear, as it's organized by KOs yet you had the highest there. There's a hyperpadder on yellow and yet the only other player with a notable turnout there that's on your side is a SMN. I can't spot the premade in this one. The context you give for this screenshot is common. Just the other two sides genuinely falling asleep and realizing where they're at too late. Slight logistics error really. Now, you can have that one vocal person shriek "SMALLS" that's not part of any premade and get people moving to them 'cuz "PVE BOIZ!!!" I don't know if that's what happened, but you don't really need a premade to do that at that point. Have seen full rando alliances achieve that.

Last screenshot I can see there was a premade, yeah, but also the scores are very tight. 28 and 55 points behind the prevailing team. Was the premade really that much of a cornerstone behind that result? Looks like it could've gone either way, even when the blues appear to be crystal-humpers, again, going by what can be seen there. Probably came down to blues not drawing arms when they needed to but that's... such a small fraction of the match. That's all I can guesstimate though without having been there. Solo units getting it together could've swayed that. It wasn't to do with big crystals there so I'd think someone trying to killsteal off whoever they were attacking would've at least stalled their efforts and maybe even scuppered their win, so that was a missed opportunity (unless your side was the one feeding at a dumb time).

So we have one example of how close things can be regardless of premades or not, and two good examples of when people play like badly programmed bots because xp/whatever (probably) and/or the mental fortitude of jello. So the story those screenshots have to tell, like so much interpretive art, is:

• That the randos playing or not playing are what decided the matches way more than the premade's participation. It helped but it's not absolute. Sometimes it's better to peer into the negative space of a picture to see greater meaning.

• Consistently making good decisions as a solo unit can add or subtract those points that really matter in closer matches. More or less the same number of people as a premade.

• Finally, yes there are indeed some matches that are totally unsalvageable, but that's less to do with ability than it is motivation. Most of the time, I'd like to think. This is not a hard game to play (just imo).

If that's still your opinion then fair enough. It doesn't sound like you're having a great time, so taking time away is likely the right call. For the time being anyhow.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

I'm not sure I'll ever understand why people intentionally queue for a team-based game mode and then complain that people are... working together as a team. :confused:

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I don’t think it's a case of people complaining about other people working as a team, you can see in these types of threads that people who hate premades generally also complain about their own team not coordinating.

So now we come to the bizarre part which is that premades apparently have too much coordination. I guess only a certain level of coordination is acceptable and anything above is apparently ruining the mode.

My problem with premades is that they're using tools that turn the system into something fundamentally unfun. I'm not expecting anything else from a non balanced mode like FL however. I don't have a problem playing with people playing in teams, nor I do have any problem teaming up to play with people in a team based game.
What Olivia said above is pretty telling on its own, "It's like pve", and that's where my problem lies.
It's not the premades that should be blamed, it's the devs.