Add New CC for all Tanks + Rework short Mets and Passive restoration

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Originally Posted by YovelaLindswood

Holy stun is garbage because because it blows through enemy stun resist so if an enemy does an aoe later in the pull I cant target stun it so the melees can keep uptime. Targeted cc is just kinda better imo.

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That's what I'm saying. The stun is very powerful, but because it's attached to damage it gets used immediately instead of strategically. If stun and damage were separated you could use stun in more interesting ways.

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

Yeah, I would love to see Holy's stun moved to it's own button, give me an actual tactical aoe stun.

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Glare IV is the best thing WHM has ever recieved. I don't know if it was on purpose or accidental, but it allows WHM to control stun using while using AoE since you can hold Holy. If only it wasn't locked away for 2 minutes at a time.

Adding a stun to a gap closer is very bad. Especially if they continue to do raids like M6s with the add phases.

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

Yeah, I would love to see Holy's stun moved to it's own button, give me an actual tactical aoe stun.

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OMG yes. Give whm their own tactical stun. Give them some class identity please. XD Also SE while you're at it treat healers like the recomended cd reduction of rampart. Debloat the healers heal toolkits with smaller lower cd toolkits and remove the redundant actions.

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Originally Posted by YovelaLindswood

OMG yes. Give whm their own tactical stun. Give them some class identity please.

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Eh, you realize you're commenting on something about how WHM is unique compared to the other healers, and that person wants that uniqueness reduced. Yes?

You are basically gutting GNB emergency heal with heart to put it on a longer CD. DRK i only agree with TBN the othsr isnt needed when living dead is a strong heal once proc. For PLD you must not notice how its set like that to be more defensive. WAR changrs you suggsst seems like you dont know how strong its aoe healing is compares to single target. Circle and salted donr need blinds. Circle of scorn is the only dot PLD has after 6.3 if anything salted coukd make next TBN heal over time of a potency of lets say 250 every 3 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Eh, you realize you're commenting on something about how WHM is unique compared to the other healers, and that person wants that uniqueness reduced. Yes?

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How does moving WHM's 8y GCD stun from Holy into it's own button (and maybe making it an oGCD in the same vein as ACN's Energy Drain) exclusive to WHM make WHM less unique?

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

How does moving WHM's 8y GCD stun from Holy into it's own button (and maybe making it an oGCD in the same vein as ACN's Energy Drain) exclusive to WHM make WHM less unique?

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Eh... I'm unsure how to reply to this, I'll admit. This is like if someone asked me "How is sunlight bright?" or "Why is water wet?". I bet it can be answered, but I struggle to think how to do it, personally. You're essentially asking "Why would making something generic instead of unique make it less unique?", you know?

The way I see it it doesn't make WHM any more or less distinct, if anything, in my mind it improves WHM by giving you the choice of when to stun and it makes tanks happier because we'd not be messing up their mit plans. I'm not taking anything away from WHM, not making a new role skill, I'm just making a false utility an actual utility. I can only see that as a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Eh, you realize you're commenting on something about how WHM is unique compared to the other healers, and that person wants that uniqueness reduced. Yes?

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Problem is the way it is unique is actively counter to game design. Its current design actively griefs all tanks. If its an ogcd you could actively use your stun for either an emergency mit if your tanks low or if multiple enemies are doing aoes you can interrupt them easily. It would keep its identity while giving you more agency as a player. As it currently exists its just nothing but annoying for all tanks that actively use stun for melee uptime.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Eh... I'm unsure how to reply to this, I'll admit. This is like if someone asked me "How is sunlight bright?" or "Why is water wet?". I bet it can be answered, but I struggle to think how to do it, personally. You're essentially asking "Why would making something generic instead of unique make it less unique?", you know?

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I mean, it'd be making its unique capacity more accessible. That's, at least indirectly, likely to see it do more with its more uniqueness. We'd need only say its having its stun tied to a GCD was unique if others had stuns by other means; as is, though, its having a stun at all (now that AST lost its stun), is the unique feature.

I'm on the fence myself, tbh, as I'd rather just see 'fixes' to Low Blow (and partly to Interject) itself and don't want to abandon the frequency of use available, but I'd at least say then that WHM ought to have an alternate AoE (even if that were, say, Dia detonating part of its duration each time it's Glared) for a similar reason: WHM's stun would be more interesting if it could be more precisely leveraged.