PvP hit detection is awful and less engaging

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Originally Posted by Valence

On your screen out of curiosity, were you using cover (without guard on) on someone that also hate the same double RDM LB? That would explain it...

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He said he covered the Gunbreaker, so yes. Both of them were within the cross's center, and since he didn't have shield up, that's 48000 damage modified by whatever straight to the face.

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Originally Posted by Valence

The defensive design of pvp in XIV has always been pretty crappy, and since the change the crazy delays and locks on purify and recuperate are absolutely awful. It was already hard to survive a one tap KO from coordinated higher rank games or LPs before, but now it's just gg unless you have a pocket AST.
Even in normal games when you get pummeled in a less coordinated fashion you'll still drop before being even able to use all your MP on recuperate just because it takes ages to use each action.

On your screen out of curiosity, were you using cover (without guard on) on someone that also hate the same double RDM LB? That would explain it...

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Cover has 24s CD, Guardian has 30s CD, in my picture its on cooldown for 17s and 11s respectively. So both were used 13s ago at the same time. I died 2-3s before I took the screenshot. So what does this tell us? I died 10s after pressing cover. Cover has a duration of 8s.

https://i.imgur.com/zEQibsr.png

As you can see cover buff dropped right after I took the Redmage LB damage. The next GCD so 2s after, killed me, the 9000 damage. As that was exactly my whole HP if you add the redmage LB dmg.

https://i.imgur.com/9oVsKCU.png

The Gunbreaker could have used a potion under cover, as he was desperately low on MP, but I remember he ran away instead (Crystal Tier match btw) and I stayed near crystal. As you can see he even used Guard and it was used 2s ago.

Essentially the damage hit me at 8s of 8s duration of Cover (Paladin is vulnerable here as there is a 3s window where you don't have guard but are still covering). The Gunbreaker did Guard himself at 10-11s, the moment I died. If he would have used it 1s earlier, I wouldn't have taken the 9k damage. Question still remains how a redmage LB, which center looks like this, hit me for double, as well as the GNB for double, so we must have been both in the center of it.

https://i.imgur.com/Hr0moww.png

But sometimes players appear on the screen, where they are not in reality. As positional data doesn't update as often I guess. The GNB already used Guard for 2s, so that means he was already slowed in it, and couldn't have moved that far from the position he is in the pic. I didn't record the match sadly, would have liked to rewatch it.

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Originally Posted by LibitIncarne

He said he covered the Gunbreaker, so yes. Both of them were within the cross's center, and since he didn't have shield up, that's 48000 damage modified by whatever straight to the face.

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Yep, basically like a 15% dmg buff from the RDM it seems. He has that map dmg buff I guess he had embolden or something? So it is 55440 dmg by 1 skill. Then it took 9k to finish it. Unlucky. Paladin is toast with 64k HP.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

Cover has 24s CD, Guardian has 30s CD, in my picture its on cooldown for 17s and 11s respectively. So both were used 13s ago at the same time. I died 2-3s before I took the screenshot. So what does this tell us? I died 10s after pressing cover. Cover has a duration of 8s.

https://i.imgur.com/zEQibsr.png

As you can see cover buff dropped right after I took the Redmage LB damage. The next GCD so 2s after, killed me, the 9000 damage. As that was exactly my whole HP if you add the redmage LB dmg.
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This happens because your Cover doesn't go out instantly. Hits in this game snapshot. Do you know how many times I've seen Tengentsu disappear, then randomly appear again because i timed it just right so that the last few frames of its duration protect against the hit?

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Originally Posted by LibitIncarne

This happens because your Cover doesn't go out instantly. Hits in this game snapshot. Do you know how many times I've seen Tengentsu disappear, then randomly appear again because i timed it just right so that the last few frames of its duration protect against the hit?

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I was writing this not because I took dmg from it. I was writing it because both players had to stand in the center of rdm LB, while being visibly apart.



But I can make another example of bad netcode.

I press intervene to stun. It goes on cooldown.

https://i.imgur.com/14l4GhN.png

Skill begins to initiate. You can see the animation playing out.

https://i.imgur.com/9khNiza.png

I actually gapclose, in this example just a small distance to be fair, it can be the full range. You can see the full animation with the slight shield swing playing out. But what happens? The silence actually activates before my Intervene goes through. But I already gapclosed so it was before? The Paradox of CC.

https://i.imgur.com/E8C8SZh.png


Lets make a last one.

I cover somebody. Last second of guard runs.

https://i.imgur.com/8ejxj1D.png

I have 2 debuff from GNB LB to be fair, it will increase my damage taken by 10% - I will Holy Shield Wall to mitigate that instantly.

https://i.imgur.com/74M9CMU.png

Let's see what happens. Redmage does his LB in the bottom right corner on the covered target. My shield wall mitigates the first hit apparently, but I don't get the shield oath 20% mitigation buff yet. I already took over 30k damage, but my main defensive job skill outside of my LB isn't even helping yet.

https://i.imgur.com/KMstaZI.png

I get another 15k hit after the 30k, we can see the HP bar updating, but it doesn't really reflect actual values yet.

https://i.imgur.com/iF2B3jD.png

Under the impression I still have 46k HP, I use a skill. At this moment I sealed my fate. I am dead.
Ironically you can see Holy Shield Wall appearing as buff visually, after I already received the buff from it being destroyed.
The HP value is finally updating.

https://i.imgur.com/rDBpoSQ.png

You can see me trying to use recuperate here. I waited a few extra frames so it is more visible. I dropped another 5k because damn Taru gave me a Broil into my face lmao. My shield smite still has full cooldown of 24s. But because I pressed it, recuperate wont activate in time.

https://i.imgur.com/BDJlJte.png

And dead in 2s.

https://i.imgur.com/mjpYhT0.png

I am sure many have something similar. I just want the dev to see this and tell me how I should survive this. I guess I can let my teammate die. So why even have Paladin with cover. If I moved into the direction of my teammate, the Redmage LB would have clipped us both. I think it boils down to 5man was a mistake, it is too much damage. Pretending tanks can support their teammates when their mitigation tools and HP are the same or worse than damage dealer, was a mistake too. Redmage has a buff that mitigates 50% for 4s, can I have that too, as you know, tank that soaks damage? It is just unplayable.

Why people are still playing CC?.


I tried it a few times after release and immediately quit and never ever touch it again, it was so fun to get 1 shot by MNK no matter what job I was.