Realm Reborn had way more content when current expansions

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Originally Posted by Krojack

When they cut back on dungeons YoshiP literally said they were AND why they were. I'm sure you can find him answering your question when he gave it before ShB release.

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To be fair, storm blood released in 2017, it's now 2024, it's been a very long time. I'm not sure what Yoshi P. said exactly in regards to this, either. He's said a lot of things over the years to the point that exactly when he said something and what verbiage he used is often a tad muddy these days as blog posts and conjecture changes over time.

I honestly don't recall the exact reason he gave.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Leveling was more fun? Didn't people just spam fates because dungeon exp was so poor?
Also, there was the same amount of raids and ex fights. There was no other content but dungeons. So no, arr didn't have more content.

We have far more content now than we ever got back then.

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At least people were in the world doing something.

Back in ARR, they had more devs and they worked insane hours to crank out the content. When I say insane, I mean it, we are talking sleep under your desk stuff.

Now, they have gone to a more realistic work week but they have lost devs to all of the other new games that Yoshi has to make and they can’t get enough new devs fast enough.

I’m starting to think that they need to flip their thinking on modders and embrace them to add more content. Such as having a dungeon competition, if it gets used, you get a years sub and name in the credit. Same with trials, raids, holiday events, etc.

It’s time to embrace the community to help save the game.

Switch the dev team to English, hire internationally,/ if/ dev pool is actually the problem.

On ARR, I don't remember it being uniquely problematic to current in the sense of content. Release and expansion MMO content is always different and trash bags runs in darklight gear and fate leveling in northern thanalan I think is people thinking a little rose color glasses.

I think primarily people had hopes and dreams in their eyes, and over time the game has had a petrify cast on it in terms of dev style. Unique things lightly break through the crust, but the formula is pretty much 'done' and occasionally stuff crumbles and falls off. For example your class identity crumbles overtime. Something new pokes through like variants or islands but they are little tufts with partial support, you don't see them tower off into their own. Like islands used primarily menu diving and right click interactions for the whole content, no new system just a pretty menu (I maxed my island, I like the island itself, the gameplay was insanely basic though). Your exploratory zones are unique but they are sequestered into their own fixed space, it's like a far more narrow borrowed power system in WoW. I'm not sure I love the idea itself, but I'd be unlikely to pick a narrow beam if I had to choose lol.

My overarching critique would be they put the game in a wind tunnel and started sand blasting, for years. We got a needle now lol. They seem to throw roleplay out the window and so the game is becoming less of an experience and more of an Uber to specific windblown destinations.

ARR also had 50 levels to deal with. Not to mention way more than two jobs. The expansions are only 10 levels with 2 new jobs. Do you just want a dungeon or trial at every level? You want ARR size every expansion? If you think the wait is long between expansions now, add more years to that.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Leveling was more fun? Didn't people just spam fates because dungeon exp was so poor?
Also, there was the same amount of raids and ex fights. There was no other content but dungeons. So no, arr didn't have more content.

We have far more content now than we ever got back then.

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Depending on the dungeon, dungeon EXP was actually really good and always has been.

People preferred to do FATEs though, because it's easier to brain off/get carried by a party doing all the work for you.

Many things in MMOs change over the years, but the amount of people wanting to get everything for free/no/low effort has not lmao.

Best example being Aurum Vale. A run of Aurum Vale if you let the Morbol eggs hatch could have you level from 47 to 50 in like 3~4 runs. If you were with friends or got good groups, your runs be right around 20 minutes.

Fates are so mind numbingly boring most of the time, I've always struggled to accept that people prefer them over dungeons for leveling lol

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Originally Posted by Vedauwoo

Um.... "ARR" was essentially the base game....all the others are add-on content.... makes perfect sense.

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Add-on content that you pay a full price game for along with a monthly sub? This isn't a singleplayer RPG with some 10 hour expansions. You have the complete wrong mindset.

It does make sense really. Base game would generally have the highest amount of dungeons and tribes. Between it being an effective 50 levels + post-story dungeons. You also need to consider the fact they are utilizing a wider range of content along the expansion cycle, e.g., Exploratory content, deep dungeons, two-tier difficulty for raids (Which was only present in SCoB), Ultimates, Criterion/Variant dungeon.

Even though I generally don't touch some of this content, to think that making a comparison... "We had 30 dungeons, now we have 13", is flawed at best. Unless you would rather go back to that design philosophy where a bulk of our content was just dungeon saturation.

I preferred levelling in ARR, simply because you had a lot more utilization in the open-world, so it actually felt like an MMO. The dungeons themselves though, not all of them were fun really. Quite a lot of them were just chore-driven Events I can't really speak on as I only do them as and when I feel like it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

It does make sense really. Base game would generally have the highest amount of dungeons and tribes. Between it being an effective 50 levels + post-story dungeons. You also need to consider the fact they are utilizing a wider range of content along the expansion cycle, e.g., Exploratory content, deep dungeons, two-tier difficulty for raids (Which was only present in SCoB), Ultimates, Criterion/Variant dungeon.

Even though I generally don't touch some of this content, to think that making a comparison... "We had 30 dungeons, now we have 13", is flawed at best. Unless you would rather go back to that design philosophy where a bulk of our content was just dungeon saturation.

I preferred levelling in ARR, simply because you had a lot more utilization in the open-world, so it actually felt like an MMO. The dungeons themselves though, not all of them were fun really. Quite a lot of them were just chore-driven Events I can't really speak on as I only do them as and when I feel like it anyway.

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I completely agree, ARR felt like a MMO, now the game feels like a single player game

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

I’m starting to think that they need to flip their thinking on modders and embrace them to add more content. Such as having a dungeon competition, if it gets used, you get a years sub and name in the credit. Same with trials, raids, holiday events, etc.

It’s time to embrace the community to help save the game.

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This would be really cool.