Stormblood Yotsuyu/Tsuyu storyline is so good

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Originally Posted by Lady_Silvermoon

Yeah, I found it interesting how her lack of memories led to them treating her like an entirely different person. It was almost like your memories are what make you you in the FF14 universe...

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Nope. Memories shape who you are but don't determine who you are. Digitizing them then shoving them all into a .exe with a series of if/thens designed to make the program act in a reasonable facsimile does not make that program a person.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

When Elidibus is cosplaying as Zenos and sets up the false flag for Doma, he tells Asahi that incarnate-summoning (via a ritual + the infused Kojin relic triggered by her desire) will (lacking the Echo) indeed temper her. Yes, "to herself", to put it simply. But recall that a primal manifests in a form determined by its summoners' intentions, volition, state of mind, and desires - all of which can (and often do) change with new experiences, new information, or simply the passage of time.

Being "tempered to yourself" as you were only a short time ago might not amount to much of a practical difference. Being "tempered to yourself" at a moment in the distant past might lead you to become something altogether different than you otherwise would have. It's interesting to think about, at least.

Consider for comparison/contrast with Yotsuyu, perhaps... Thordan, Tiamat, or the summoners of Zodiark.

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This is true, and Elidibus himself probably brings the clearest example, albeit in a bit of a sideways way. (Spoiler-ing the rest because I think the OP might still be in post-Stormblood.)

I've described current Elidibus as 'a self-portrait of a self-portrait', basically one person's gradually distorted view of themselves over millennia of being the core/an extension of Zodiark.

He's a very extreme version, though, that's someone tempered by themselves across twelve thousand years. Yotsuyu would probably have never lived long enough to show that. ...especially because she's naturally a very stubborn person, there's a good chance you cure her tempering and she doesn't even notice.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

When Elidibus is cosplaying as Zenos and sets up the false flag for Doma, he tells Asahi that incarnate-summoning (via a ritual + the infused Kojin relic triggered by her desire) will (lacking the Echo) indeed temper her. Yes, "to herself", to put it simply. But recall that a primal manifests in a form determined by its summoners' intentions, volition, state of mind, and desires - all of which can (and often do) change with new experiences, new information, or simply the passage of time.

Being "tempered to yourself" as you were only a short time ago might not amount to much of a practical difference. Being "tempered to yourself" at a moment in the distant past might lead you to become something altogether different than you otherwise would have. It's interesting to think about, at least.

Consider for comparison/contrast with Yotsuyu, perhaps... Thordan, Tiamat, or the summoners of Zodiark.

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(SHB AND EW SPOILERS)

If you've done the Bozja questline it's also why the ancient Gunnhildr's Blades felt so threatened when the shrine maiden they chose had the Echo. They made their plan with the assumption she'd be tempered by the transformation.

I know Emet-Selch claimed Zodiark tempered his summoners but the Loporrits said tempering was added to the primal summoning process after the Sundering. Maybe Elidibus ended up how he did because he'd already died in the initial summoning.