Was This Face Change Ever Explained?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I get that they are a big deal to people who are into glam and appearance or have an attachment to their former look, but that doesn't mean most of them aren't technically minor. It is like how a dress can have a line curved in a slightly different way. That's a minor difference... but there are a lot of people that would find it a massive difference.

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That is true. Simultaneously, when you give many of those lines a slightly different curve, at some point you just have a different outfit. That thread shows many such wardrobe malfunctions.

Oh gosh if they're planning another major graphics update change to fix the current issues, I hope we get another Fanta to undo changes we made to try to work with how they look now <_>

Then its prop a me thing but i cant see any difference in my own characters.
I struggle to see a difference in a lot of side by side examples people post claiming their character is unrecognisable. To me it feels like a lot of hyperbole.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Then its prop a me thing but i cant see any difference in my own characters.
I struggle to see a difference in a lot of side by side examples people post claiming their character is unrecognisable. To me it feels like a lot of hyperbole.

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You’re right, it’s a you thing. But that’s ok! As long as you understand you might just have a bit of face blindness. It’s normal. There’s a lot of divide on this because recognizing faces is a biological factor determined subconsciously in the brain. Recognizing things that are different is a survival instinct. Some people are gonna see two eyes a nose and a mouth and go “yep, face”, and some people are gonna notice immediately if someone shows up with a different nose. If someone has ever gotten mad at you irl for not noticing their new haircut or glasses, then you’ve run into this before. So when you or others who respond similar to you see people talking about the differences in faces but it all looks the same to you, try to be understanding. That’s probably just what’s going on.

I’ve tried to be accommodating of that with my feedback in that thread by showing as many detailed markups and direct overlay gifs as I could. If I can at least show people that “yes, there are physical changes to the shapes of features”, then I have a foothold. I can hope to convince others that if they know now things changed but can’t tell the difference, then they shouldn’t mind if things are made to more resemble the original faces again, right? If you didn’t notice things changed, then you shouldn’t mind if they change back. They can modify the new base mesh to more closely recreate the original feature shapes. Everything would look just as good in the new lighting with higher resolution textures.

And if people can see that things look different but they like the new features better, then that’s a different argument. Or rather that doesn’t have to be an argument at all. There can be common ground where everyone wants an improved character creator with more options. There’s an ideal world where almost everyone gets what they want, but SE just needs to devote the appropriate time and budget to making it happen. The graphics update should always have included an update to the CC.

I have a lot of criticism for rushing this graphic update out alongside an entire expansion while the lead dev was also split between this and FFXVI. I also am very anxious if they’re “putting the finishing touches” on an additional update for character appearances as they said. I appreciate that they let us know we’re being heard but it simply hasn’t been long enough to fix everything. If it’s more fixes like we saw between the benchmark and full release I’d rather they take their time.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I get that they are a big deal to people who are into glam and appearance or have an attachment to their former look, but that doesn't mean most of them aren't technically minor. It is like how a dress can have a line curved in a slightly different way. That's a minor difference... but there are a lot of people that would find it a massive difference.

Same with lighting or shadow differences. I get it's a big deal to people, but from a technical standpoint, it's just adjusting sliders and clipping to try and make it similar under the new light settings and they tried their best.

They were definitely trying to keep the look of the characters because they explicity said they were trying to do that.
No it is not. Here is the link! https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6570905
They said an "update" that is "undergoing final inspectations". That is another way of saying it's a patch.

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"The company said so, thus it must be true"

lmao.

Hrothgar and viera hats would like a word with you, it's been 5 years its "allegedly" in the work. Lmao.

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Originally Posted by Cheapshot

You’re right, it’s a you thing. But that’s ok! As long as you understand you might just have a bit of face blindness. It’s normal. There’s a lot of divide on this because recognizing faces is a biological factor determined subconsciously in the brain. Recognizing things that are different is a survival instinct. Some people are gonna see two eyes a nose and a mouth and go “yep, face”, and some people are gonna notice immediately if someone shows up with a different nose. If someone has ever gotten mad at you irl for not noticing their new haircut or glasses, then you’ve run into this before. So when you or others who respond similar to you see people talking about the differences in faces but it all looks the same to you, try to be understanding. That’s probably just what’s going on.

I’ve tried to be accommodating of that with my feedback in that thread by showing as many detailed markups and direct overlay gifs as I could. If I can at least show people that “yes, there are physical changes to the shapes of features”, then I have a foothold. I can hope to convince others that if they know now things changed but can’t tell the difference, then they shouldn’t mind if things are made to more resemble the original faces again, right? If you didn’t notice things changed, then you shouldn’t mind if they change back. They can modify the new base mesh to more closely recreate the original feature shapes. Everything would look just as good in the new lighting with higher resolution textures.

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Why does it have to be one party having "face blindness" and not the other party having an overreaction to a miniscule change?

Why do the people who don't care about the changes care so much about the changes by being defensive over them towards people who care about the changes

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Originally Posted by PassinLay

"The company said so, thus it must be true"

lmao.

Hrothgar and viera hats would like a word with you, it's been 5 years its "allegedly" in the work. Lmao.

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Is there a link that shows they said they'd make hats for them eventually, because my memory is just that they would have none because of the model design, except a few devs decided to try on their own time. I haven't seen anything saying that they would have hats in the future.

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Originally Posted by Sacae

Why does it have to be one party having "face blindness" and not the other party having an overreaction to a miniscule change?

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I mean, they are not minuscule changes. My fish fin horn au ra alt looks like a total stranger to me, and that’s not hyperbole.