DT worse then 1.0

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Originally Posted by HarleyMimiko

i did.At least 1.0 had the excuse of being a new game. DT is a copy of the previous expansion

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if you are going to generalize like that, then every patch is a copy of the last.

like this current patch i was telling him what this current patch would do, because playing since 1.0 myself, I can explain the formula to newer players telling him how the crafter gear be 710 or 720, ( I think sometimes the crafter gear is the same as the limited anyways) horde 2k tomestones to sell asap to the people willing to pay a premium for the crafted gear, limited tomestones coming out that is likely 720 gear that can be upgraded to 730 later, etc...

but saying this is worse then 1.0 is clearly untrue, you have to be implying it is laggy and not functional, having 3 million pixels of a plant to give bad fps etc

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Originally Posted by Xactly

Also it's been like 13 years? Not that I'm from 1.0 myself though.

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I think that's the biggest point here. You've got over a decade of experience in making an MMO, and you put out this crap? That's even more concerning than if it had been their first attempt.

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Originally Posted by HarleyMimiko

Literally the worst DLC worse than 1.0.

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Um no.

1.0 was a new game, with new lore, new story, new characters. What was bad about 1.0 was the combat system was a copy-paste of 11's and the world map was also copy-paste to an excessive level that everyone, including the beta testers were getting lost because they kept seeing the same map tiles over and over again. The two key things beta testers said, over and over again "copy paste topology" and "insanely poor performance"

All that "1.0" needed to fix it was to gut the combat system in favor of what we got with 2.0, but they decided to make it also able to run on computers that were not top-of-the-line and also PS3's, which in hindesight probably degraded the visuals too far. The 1.0 models were gorgeous, and the Miqo'te gear had actual tail and ear holes, and their gear actually fit them, not clipped through them. The music in 1.0 is Nobuo Uematsu's work which is a staple of all Final Fantasy games before 14 except 13.

Was 1.0's combat system bad? Yes, but not for the reasons people think it was bad. 1.0's combat system was turn-based like all ATB Final Fantasy games. You frequently died in fights because ATB is not forgiving in a client-server setup, where as in single player games the "game is paused" while you make decisions. This made 1.0's combat feel slow and sloppy.

Also 1.0 you couldn't jump over inch high fences. While some people complain about the loading tunnels, if it meant that the world was seamless I would have taken that over what we have now which limits environmental exploration. We can still see where the loading tunnels were, even in DawnTrail, they are still there (pretty much every time you see a staircase or a causeway somewhere with no NPC's, that was a loading tunnel,) but they put the "scene transition" in front of it so you never get to see the outside of a lot of things now.

So no. While there was a lot of 'bad' things about 1.0, it was still a new game and the lore wasn't "bad", just the underlying game engine was a poor match for a MMORPG when MMO's moved in the direction of being more action oriented and less "standing in one spot" like you still did in 13, which used the same game engine.

If anything Dawntrail's story feels like the first half of ARR, but instead of being handed off between scions, it's just Wuk Lamat. It's perhaps that over-presence in the story that people feel that their WoL is basically just a cheer-leader for 4/7th's of the game before the FF9 crossover begins. Which maybe tells you what the problem is, that the better written portion of the game, where stakes matter, was done before, in FF9.

So "worse than 1.0" no. The only way an expansion can be "worse than 1.0" is by having no dungeon content.

I mean the Story might be divisive but beside that its more of the same. :/
That in itself isnt good but that does make it not much worse than endwalker outside of the story.

Comparing it with the non-functional 1.0 is nonsensical.

Dawntrail gets worse, then 1.0 happens? Time travel it is, then!

8.0, A realm reborn, reborn,


An un lost world even.

Seeing that XIV was my 2nd FF game I've gotten into I don't think I would have survived playing it had I known and gotten into the 1.0 version if it. Combat-wise I would definitely be struggling. Although I hate certain classes not getting anything new and roles seemingly being doubled down, I'd rather play this version.

If there's a few videos I should watch about 1.0 that make it seemingly better than Dawntrail I would like to know.

Please list me a new idea that was proposed in DT that hasn't already been used in the previous three expansions. As a player and supporter of the game, I criticize SE's work with the hope of seeing better updates than the current ones. I'm envious of people who, after 7 years (2017 release of stormblood) still manage to find the motivation to do the exact same things again and again.

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Originally Posted by Isala

I think that's the biggest point here. You've got over a decade of experience in making an MMO, and you put out this crap? That's even more concerning than if it had been their first attempt.

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That's my point. 1.0 was a failure but it was a NEW game. This dlc is pure rubbish.

Tbh, only thing 1.0 has better is the mocap cutscenes, where even if janky, made plenty of cool action shots. Gaius fighting the Scions in 1.0 is better than any cutscene that we have even on Endwalker.

Would love to see more movements in cutscenes in general, and at least DT did try to deliver some of that.

Bait used to be believable.