The removal of Viper positionals would have been preferred over removing Noxious Gnas

so.. VPR lost their DoT right?.. ironic.. and ppl wanna remove positionals instead what I can see why they wanna do that^^

but yeah they should just remove positionals in general then, they could then also remove True North.. I mean every melee's combos have another function besides the positionals anyway. Hell! NIN's Trick Attack isn't a Positional anymore! (I still use True North before Trick Attack due to deep rooted Muscle Memory, same reason why I have True North at the place where I had Kaiten, because having a dead button on a Controller is way worse than on a Keyboard)

If players are just using the ingame feedback and not leaving their suggestions or complaints on the forums much-- might just need to spam the "leave feedback" ingame suggestion to get it back and buff it with longer duration instead of removing it. I mean the central concept of viper, from a lore perspective, is that it uses uses quickness and a venomous "bite" to weaken a more physically imposing enemy, and then finishes it off. Granted, that's not really how it plays, because Yoshida and team don't believe in debuffs or DOTs as a playstyle, but still, without that ability, there's not even a nod to the lore. They wanted to reduce "business" so they made a change that doesn't change the rotation, button order, or end result. I'm starting to think that Yoshida and the devs dont understand what "busy" means lol.

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Originally Posted by RyuuZero

yeah they should just remove positionals in general then, they could then also remove True North.

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This is kind of the crux of the issue with positionals right here. True North makes them irrelevant. I don't even think about them for *Vice*winder. If positionals are removed, you also get to remove that redundancy from the bar.

It's just like Kaiten.. if you always use that buff in the same place, on the same ability, just add the buff to the ability, tighten up the rotation and keep the redundancy off the hotbar.

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Originally Posted by Korbei

This is kind of the crux of the issue with positionals right here. True North makes them irrelevant. I don't even think about them for *Vice*winder. If positionals are removed, you also get to remove that redundancy from the bar.

It's just like Kaiten.. if you always use that buff in the same place, on the same ability, just add the buff to the ability, tighten up the rotation and keep the redundancy off the hotbar.

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Bingo! This is it right here on why removing positionals is a good idea!

I think you mean "This is why charges and a short cd on True North is a bad idea!"

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

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You don't have VPR unlocked, but yet you went out of your way to force bump this on to the main page. I think the fact that caster players are actively going out of their way to make harmful suggestions to a job that they don't play and that has already been damaged by their input is a serious problem. We didn't ask for either to change.

The way I see this escalating is that you will see more and more people trying to sabotage other players' job designs to get ahead. SE should start actively screening feedback based off of who actually plays the jobs in question.

Positionals are out dated. They've been nerfed to the point they may as well not exist and I'm not sure of any other competing game that utilizes them. More importantly, I've never heard a player say "I really enjoy positionals".

Remove them from all melee, use the time spent on tuning them to replace them with something more engaging. Dev time is a finite resource, in my opinion stop using it here.

I'd argue absolutely nothing needed to be changed about Viper, neither Noxious Gash or its positionals.

I wish they'd stop removing elements from the battle system and I wish people would stop begging for them to dumb everything down further.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

You don't have VPR unlocked, but yet you went out of your way to force bump this on to the main page. I think the fact that caster players are actively going out of their way to make harmful suggestions to a job that they don't play and that has already been damaged by their input is a serious problem. We didn't ask for either to change.

The way I see this escalating is that you will see more and more people trying to sabotage other players' job designs to get ahead. SE should start actively screening feedback based off of who actually plays the jobs in question.

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LOL Smooth move on assuming stuff of other people.

The funniest part of this entire situation is the dot is the one thing no one expected to get changed. I don't think anyone even brought it up, people only talked about being worried the positionals or the speed of the job would get changed.
The dot was so easy to maintain everyone forgot to even think it could of been on the cutting board.