"The Adventures of RNG!" Top 3 Hamlet Provisioner

Everytime I hear Hamlet, I think omelet, and I get hungry.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

The challenging part is not quitting after 300 hours to get one item in a video game.

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This is basically FFXIV in a nutshell.

Yep, this relic quest has wreaked havoc on my LS. The RNG of Hamlet Defense is mostly to blame. OP, I'm sorry to hear about your experience. Please know that you aren't the only one.

imo main problem is being in an ls with Niccolo AND Mari

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Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia

Everytime I hear Hamlet, I think omelet, and I get hungry.

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shush you
im trying to do hamlet right now, and trying not to be hungry and afk to go make an omelet!

The real waste is that you only ran hamlet for 3 hours after all that effort. Someone should slap your LS.

But yeah, I sympathize with you. Or rather, I would if we were blindly abstracting.

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Originally Posted by Scytale

Yesterday I was fortunate enough to be sponsored by my Hamlet LS to go for a Top 3 slot. For those who have gone for the Top 3 you realize this is more of a group effort, meaning many sacrifice their time and fun for the benefit of the one.

Though the competition was intense, I came in 3rd. My LS was happy to see their hard work pay off, one less person needing seals, leading to the ultimate goal of us earning our Relics.

Last night we were able to run 6 Hamlets before it became too late to keep going (my LS is only 'part-time' hardcore). Each of those 6 Hamlets were wins with scores greater than 60K.

From those 6 Hamlets, I received 1 seal, and 5 sets of Ebonknots. Not only was I shocked at such a result, my entire LS was rocked to their core. The hours of farming and buying provisions had all but been a waste.

I understand RNG, however I believe in a situation such as Hamlet where community effort is a must to succeed, why would there be such a brutal system in place to punish everyone? If it were just my supplies I would be the only person affected, but this goes beyond that.

I truely believe SE needs to re-look their drop rate on Top 3 Provisioners. If SE wishes us to play and function as a Community, by George they need to support their Community and reward their efforts from time to time. Had I known the Top 3 Provisioner RNG was so bad, I would've never even tried.

I can only hope I cam sneak out early from work today and PUG some Hamlet later. I don't want to let my friends down...

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That said, you should probably have accounted for the fact that 3rd provisioner is a 25% chance, meaning on average you should have expected to run it around 12 times, not 6 times. When I was 3rd place, I had to run it 13 times to get all my 3 seals.

The problem with such percentages is they really only average out to be 25% or 50% (etc.,) over many trials, so for a select few people whom are statistical outliers, it will either seem very easy to get 3 seals, or otherwise greatly unfair.

Sorry OP, you're not hardcore enough for relics. Why would you think that your effort was going to be worth in only 4 hours of running hamlet? There's a reason why the battle phase is 25 hours long! These noobs....

So basically, 'mid-cores' don't even bother with Top 3 because unless you can spend a day, it's not worth it? You all realize that that sounds obsurd from the standpoint that Top 3 should SPEED up the process.

1. In a DAY of time, I could basically make sure ONE person in the party got 3/3 on seals w/o having a top 20 in the group. Heck, a day of time probably=3 people 3/3 on seals without a provisioner.

The attitude of 'too bad you didn't spend 6+ hours grinding hamlets to get one person 3/3 AFTER you spent several hours as a group grinding gathering and crafting to get them a higher drop % is wrong. The whole point of 'Top 3' should be 'it helps speed the process for the group that supported you' not for an individual.

2. Assuming you do a 20 min run:
20 mins+15min cool down= 35 mins per run
35minsx12 runs= 420mins or 7 hours worth of runs.

That is almost a full-time job worth of hours. So, again it is reasonable for Scy to assume that for all our gathering/crafting effort behind the scenes (which took more time btw), he could have walked away with at least 2 seals.

Scytale wasn't whining that he didn't get seals... he was pointing out that after all the work involved in getting a Top 3 slot, which on our server is still well over a Million in turn-ins...he expected better results. Top 3 provisioner should help those who have less time to grind not more.

To Midcores: If it really is only a 25% drop rate for #3...either work even harder and get #1....or say screw it and just keep grinding w/o a provisioner...unless someone wants a special gear drop I guess. But considering we got more drops in the party loot than in the Top 3 provisioners loot, well we could have gotten Scy 3/3 last night just on normal drops.

But yeah, thanks once again forums for the snubbing of the midcores...makes perfect sense. Most people, don't play this game for 6+hours a day. We've accepted that means it takes us longer to do things. But at the same time, doing extra work to 'quicken' the process, should ACTUALLY quicken the process.

Again just to reiterate even if EVERY clear=one seal to the party
8 party members x 9 seals=72 runs

72 runsx 35 mins=2520 mins or (42 hours)...

currently, I have about 100 hamlet clears...and 3/9 seals...so yeah, it's safe to say I've ALREADY spent 50+ hours doing this...Scy has spent maybe 70...but yeah, nothing wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

The real waste is that you only ran hamlet for 3 hours after all that effort. Someone should slap your LS.

But yeah, I sympathize with you. Or rather, I would if we were blindly abstracting.

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I won't blame my LS for this. We all have jobs, families, and IRL obligations. This is why Top 3 sounds so appealing, the chance to get more seals on shorter terms. If my LS could run Hamlet 10 hours daily why would we even bother?

I see provisioning as a way to reward players who don't have all day to spend on this game. Obviously SE doesn't agree.