SE's treatment of MCH is a joke

Full Metal Field depends on others buff to hit hard and it's just... who's the support again?

That being said I just love playing it for the aesthetics.

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Originally Posted by Volgia

Full Metal Field depends on others buff to hit hard and it's just... who's the support again?

That being said I just love playing it for the aesthetics.

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Gameplay and aesthetics are fantastic but MCH is outclassed by the other two phys ranged buffs by a long shot. By buffing everyone else DNC and BRD got a buff and MCH is left to cry in the corner.

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Originally Posted by Hanzz96

Gameplay and aesthetics are fantastic but MCH is outclassed by the other two phys ranged buffs by a long shot. By buffing everyone else DNC and BRD got a buff and MCH is left to cry in the corner.

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Is that DPS difference the limit between a wipe and a clear? I mean, I've had no issues playing MCH even if DNC or BRD outclass me in damage. Guess it's min ilvl issue for 1st week?

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Originally Posted by Volgia

Is that DPS difference the limit between a wipe and a clear? I mean, I've had no issues playing MCH even if DNC or BRD outclass me in damage. Guess it's min ilvl issue for 1st week?

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Its a min ilvl issue for week one yes. Enrage is far more likely without buffs and bringing MCH to floor 4 week 1 is legit trolling.

The other issue is PF and Statics more and more often these days lock out MCH because MCH's personal damage doesn't equate to what DNC and BRD's buffs bring to the party so they don't want to bring a MCH

After they introduced DNC to the phys range mix I'm convinced they just have no clue whatsoever of what to do with that role. They continue to nuke their dps numbers with the excuse of "mobility and utility" which is absolutely fucking laughable with the state the game is in rn where everyone has mobility skills AND utility skills outside of a literal handful of selfish dps that top the charts. Which mind you just makes the spot MCH is in just outright stupid considering they are a selfish dps but are stuck with the phys range curse. Why?

Making jobs and just punishing them for the role that they're in is just ridiculous as a notion and I really wish they'd let up and just drop that kind of mentality already and just let people play on equal grounds. Let the numbers show the skill , not how butchered your skill potencies are and your "role tax" as a dps.

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Originally Posted by GreenLeafy

After they introduced DNC to the phys range mix I'm convinced they just have no clue whatsoever of what to do with that role. They continue to nuke their dps numbers with the excuse of "mobility and utility" which is absolutely fucking laughable with the state the game is in rn where everyone has mobility skills AND utility skills outside of a literal handful of selfish dps that top the charts. Which mind you just makes the spot MCH is in just outright stupid considering they are a selfish dps but are stuck with the phys range curse. Why?

Making jobs and just punishing them for the role that they're in is just ridiculous as a notion and I really wish they'd let up and just drop that kind of mentality already and just let people play on equal grounds. Let the numbers show the skill , not how butchered your skill potencies are and your "role tax" as a dps.

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That would require jobs to allow for displays of skill.

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Originally Posted by GreenLeafy

After they introduced DNC to the phys range mix I'm convinced they just have no clue whatsoever of what to do with that role. They continue to nuke their dps numbers with the excuse of "mobility and utility" which is absolutely fucking laughable with the state the game is in rn where everyone has mobility skills AND utility skills outside of a literal handful of selfish dps that top the charts. Which mind you just makes the spot MCH is in just outright stupid considering they are a selfish dps but are stuck with the phys range curse. Why?

Making jobs and just punishing them for the role that they're in is just ridiculous as a notion and I really wish they'd let up and just drop that kind of mentality already and just let people play on equal grounds. Let the numbers show the skill , not how butchered your skill potencies are and your "role tax" as a dps.

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Couldn't have said it better myself

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Originally Posted by Daralii

That would require jobs to allow for displays of skill.

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Damn , you're right. I forgot that's not allowed for jobs anymore either. Simplify , homogenize and let the job play itself is the new motto.

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Originally Posted by GreenLeafy

Damn , you're right. I forgot that's not allowed for jobs anymore either. Simplify , homogenize and let the job play itself is the new motto.

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True but at least homogenise MCH to be on an equal playing field with BRD and DNC

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Originally Posted by Hanzz96

Because SE designed phys ranged as support and forgot mch existed. The job has had 2 full reworks since it launched in HW and they just refuse to make a selfish ranged work and it is refusal at this point

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The sad part is that even in it's Stormblood iteration it was a better selfish DPS than nowadays while also providing a Trick Attack equivalent. Sure it was agony to play but when it worked it was actually up there in DPS.