Giving feedback in this game is pointless (Viper changes)

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Originally Posted by Garnix

Probably would have been better to go with the initial plan and remove positionals.

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I wonder if these changes would've been added if the positionals were removed as well or if this is because they decided to listen and not remove the positionals and somehow make the job "easier" to play in a different way.
If the latter I'd be scared whenever I see people voice feedback, as it could lead to something even worse.

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

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Originally Posted by NekoNova

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

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While that may be, I have seen a lot of feedback "do not change it", and not even a single thread asking for easier debuff management, as that patch has now gifted to us. Granted, I don't speak Japanese, so I can't check the JP forum, but somehow I doubt the outcries for changes in Viper were that loud over there, considering there was backlash against the proposed changed from the Blogpost a few weeks ago in JP as well.

The job has barely been out a month. Gutting the singular point of upkeep and engagement in Noxious Gnash to cater to players who think it's upkeep was too difficult is an egregious example of a knee-jerk reaction. One that's coming right on the tail of them promising that they wouldn't be simplifying any more jobs. This is incredibly disappointing.

There's some poetic irony in there about the job based on snakes not be able to poison/wound their target.

it feels like they're afraid of people being able to make mistakes in their rotations. it just makes me wonder why i even bothered learning how to play the job when i could have just waited for the job to play itself.

Game is like supporting low performance people who can't learn how to rotation.. so they can feel good about their self's instead of actually play the game

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Originally Posted by ovIm

No, it was not. You were actively monitoring NG to decide whether to use Dread or Steel Fangs, which made the combo starter more dynamic, and made you reference it with your Dreadwinder. To me, it was an actual fun engaging mechanic that helped keep my brain engaged in the class and the fight.

Square Enix has no faith in their product, thats for sure. Remember when they told MCH's that they were playing it wrong, back in Heavensward? I kinda wish that mentality came back slightly. Now, all SqEx does is remove any possible friction for a class.

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You had to keep track of it twice a minute, because using Dreadwinder was anyway a dmg increase filter, so you needed to keep track of it 2x with dreadfang, thats it

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Originally Posted by NekoNova

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

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If they have this mountain of thereotical feedback they need to start actually pointing to it or if there is threads in the forums (either side) actually doing something like linking them in their explanation of job changes because the phenomenon of “make a change nobody appears to have asked for then ask for feedback, everyone opposes the change, ignore said feedback and leave the change intact” is appearing to become way more prevalent to the general playerbase

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

You had to keep track of it twice a minute, because using Dreadwinder was anyway a dmg increase filter, so you needed to keep track of it 2x with dreadfang, thats it

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And now we track it 0 times a minute, we just press the glowing button instead. The fact that Dreadwinder also affected the debuff at least had me think "alright, I just refreshed it, I'll need to wait another x seconds before I press Dreadwinder or I'll overcap".

The fact that I could look at the lack of charges on my Dreadwinders cooldown, see that I had about 6s left on my Noxious timer, and think "alright, after this combo I need to refresh or it drops". Now I just press the glowing button and press Dreadwinder without any extra thought or care if it might have any secondary consequences.