Scholar Sucks

Shield healing sounds like it bites more than it used to back in heavensward and maybe stormblood, but its been years since I touched Scholar on a high skill level, and it sounds like you have to do way to much mental gymnastic to play it effectively from what I'm reading in this thread, and presumably so does Sage.

I think SCH is still the best designed Healer of the ones currently in the game, like there's not really anything missing from their healer kit and they even have Expedient over others... But they maybe use some buffs and like all the healers more offensive options.

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Originally Posted by RaionKansen

First of all of I'm taking your response with a very small grain of salt because of your signature.

I liked scholar basically until Holos was buffed and I started playing sage. There's really no reason to play it at this point. I'm very aware how it works and I hate how much you have to operate at a potency loss more often to be an effective healer in high end content where mitigation is important

Dissipation would be a much better ability if it was 10s long on a 60s CD vs 30s every 180s that you can't turn off.
The skill has aged horribly with how the game plays today.
You basically have to gcd heal at a potency loss for 30s if your aetherflow abilities can't cover the healing. Something no other healer in the game is punished with.

Ruin II shouldn't always be a loss when scholar gets nothing out of his healing and sage does. At least make the DoT or something have a proc change to upgrade Ruin II so that it's neutral with Broil IV

Excog is hasn't been great for a long time. High end content is so dependent on having party mitigation going and everyone being topped up. Taurochole is going to save someone more times than Excog ever will in the current state of the game unless you have any issues with a tank dying to autos after a buster.

I would not say scholar dominates in mitigation by any degree because it has to spend more gcds to operate all of it at a potency loss where sage doesn't.

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Dissipation is how it is because it’s the only one of the 4 healers that can generate its full gauge back instantly, that’s why the skill has drawbacks. Because it’s so powerful, the fact it also buffs adlo is just the cherry on top. You need to plan around it, if you used dissipation with your fairy abilities ready to go then run out of aetherflow abilities that’s entirely your fault not the skill

Ruin 2 is a movement ability, that’s all there really is to it, it should be a loss because it can be freely cast

Single target healing in general in this game is bad, I’m not really going to compare those two because the benefits each offers is relatively redundant, the 10% mitigation on SCH comes from protraction

SCH has 3 free mitigations and spreadlo dwarfs anything SGE can put out, that’s just a fact

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Originally Posted by RaionKansen

Dissipation would be a much better ability if it was 10s long on a 60s CD vs 30s every 180s that you can\\'t turn off.
The skill has aged horribly with how the game plays today.
You basically have to gcd heal at a potency loss for 30s if your aetherflow abilities can\\'t cover the healing. Something no other healer in the game is punished with.

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I’m confused by this statement. Do you mean gcd healing causes dps potency loss, or that Scholars put out less healing when using gcds? The latter is only true if you don’t know Emergency Tactics and Recitation exists

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Originally Posted by RaionKansen

Ruin II shouldn\\'t always be a loss when scholar gets nothing out of his healing and sage does. At least make the DoT or something have a proc change to upgrade Ruin II so that it\\'s neutral with Broil IV

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I don’t see any reason for them not to do something with Ruin II. At the same time though I think that’s kinda defeating the purpose. Isn’t the whole point of Sage that it’s healing and dps are both interlinked and ‘feed into each other’? I imagine they don’t want to have that same identity for Scholar too (considering they already pretend it isn’t present on WHM lol). For Scholar though people always say the enjoy the fact it has potential ‘losses’ because it means having to weigh up the tactical value of the skills. If they were entirely lossless that aspect of the job would be gone in many people’s eyes. To clarify, I wouldn’t really care either way if Ruin II was or wasn’t a loss. At the very least they could give it a visual upgrade along with Energy Drain, I don’t want to use ugly pre-level-50 skills lol.

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Originally Posted by RaionKansen

Excog is hasn\\'t been great for a long time. High end content is so dependent on having party mitigation going and everyone being topped up. Taurochole is going to save someone more times than Excog ever will in the current state of the game unless you have any issues with a tank dying to autos after a buster.

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Isn’t this comparing apples and oranges? If anything I’d compare Taurochole more to Protraction. Max HP increases provide effective mitigation through the extra health, and it restores the HP difference which isn’t an insignificant amount (it’s not amazing lol but not bad). And there’s the fact it buffs not only gcd shields, but any personal healing the tank is providing. I only do normal raids, but I use Excogitation to heal dps that have been clipped by AoEs (provided they’re below 50% ofc) much more frequently than I do on tank busters, since it gets them closer to a safe HP level than just throwing Lustrate at them

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Originally Posted by RaionKansen

I would not say scholar dominates in mitigation by any degree because it has to spend more gcds to operate all of it at a potency loss where sage doesn\\'t.

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*Laughs in Seraphism*

Lastly (couldnt get the quote for it lol) I feel like all of the fairy skills can’t really be compared to anything in the other healers’ toolkits and that’s why they’re balanced the way they are. Plus, there’s the undeniable advantage that the Scholar can apply Fey Illumination etc to the party regardless of their actual position because of movement. Obviously, that’s not as simple as they make out, but for the devs I do think they believe this is a ‘real advantage’ the Scholar has over Sage, though the truth of that is debateable.