Dark Knight loosing 1200 MP from the Blood weapon nerf feels horrible.

Besides the lower mana gain from Blood weapon stacks, people are also not taking into account that you'll get mana from your 123 less often. More of Drk's GCD's are going to Bloodspillers because Living shadow now costs no gauge, and Drk got a new GCD on top. I honestly don't think much thought was put into the Drk changes at all. The monotony of Drk's 123 spam post burst isn't being mixed up with plunges and blood weapons anymore. All it got was a forgettable GCD on a 2 minute cooldown that isn't even that high in potency. I suspect they might have a rework in the works (Again)
The job looks veeeery barebones and incomplete compared to the other tanks. They didn't even bother to lower cooldowns to make it more active outside of the burst.

Guys why are you wasting your time with down-graded warrior job?
Changes to this job isn't interesting not even before

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Besides the lower mana gain from Blood weapon stacks, people are also not taking into account that you'll get mana from your 123 less often. More of Drk's GCD's are going to Bloodspillers because Living shadow now costs no gauge, and Drk got a new GCD on top. I honestly don't think much thought was put into the Drk changes at all. The monotony of Drk's 123 spam post burst isn't being mixed up with plunges and blood weapons anymore. All it got was a forgettable GCD on a 2 minute cooldown that isn't even that high in potency. I suspect they might have a rework in the works (Again)
The job looks veeeery barebones and incomplete compared to the other tanks. They didn't even bother to lower cooldowns to make it more active outside of the burst.

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Eh, I did some napkin math around that and taking into account -40 Blood in 2min (Bloodweapon stacks 5 -> 3) and +50 from not having Living Shadow cost blood, leading to a net +10/2min, times five for 50 gauge you only actually gain one Bloodspiller in like 10min. The 5 Disesteem casts in 10min wont rock the boat to the same level either - that is about two combos of resources less, or -1200 MP in Disesteem + bonus Bloodspiller.

The real impact will without a doubt remain the reduction in Bloodweapon stacks per minute, leading to a whopping -12000 MP over the course of 10min, discounting the 10min-timed cooldown window. Beyond that, yeah... the downtime for DRK has absolutely been hurting. Where other tanks have received tools that at least come from using their kit (Inner Release -> 3x Fell Cleave -> Primal Wrath; Blade of Valor -> Honor ogcd, Lionheart combo from Bloodfest), we have received a line gcd every 2min. And unlike Shadowbringer which is 1200 potency in two OGCD casts, Disesteem replaces a GCD cast and grants no resources - the actual gain is miniscule and the big value really just comes if you throw it into a huge buff window.

We "REALLY" got the short end of the stick here.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Guys why are you wasting your time with down-graded warrior job?
Changes to this job isn't interesting not even before

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Because we care and will continue giving feedback for the job we cared about. Call me Emet-Selch if you will, because I refuse to let go of what we once had.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Eh, I did some napkin math around that and taking into account -40 Blood in 2min (Bloodweapon stacks 5 -> 3) and +50 from not having Living Shadow cost blood, leading to a net +10/2min, times five for 50 gauge you only actually gain one Bloodspiller in like 10min. The 5 Disesteem casts in 10min wont rock the boat to the same level either - that is about two combos of resources less, or -1200 MP in Disesteem + bonus Bloodspiller.

The real impact will without a doubt remain the reduction in Bloodweapon stacks per minute, leading to a whopping -12000 MP over the course of 10min, discounting the 10min-timed cooldown window. Beyond that, yeah... the downtime for DRK has absolutely been hurting. Where other tanks have received tools that at least come from using their kit (Inner Release -> 3x Fell Cleave -> Primal Wrath; Blade of Valor -> Honor ogcd, Lionheart combo from Bloodfest), we have received a line gcd every 2min. And unlike Shadowbringer which is 1200 potency in two OGCD casts, Disesteem replaces a GCD cast and grants no resources - the actual gain is miniscule and the big value really just comes if you throw it into a huge buff window.

We "REALLY" got the short end of the stick here.



Because we care and will continue giving feedback for the job we cared about. Call me Emet-Selch if you will, because I refuse to let go of what we once had.

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Ahh i didn't account for the blood gauge gain also being nerfed on blood weapon.
But yeah, after all the changes in DT i don't think i'll be tanking this expansion. Drk got castrated, and lost waaaay more than it gained.
It is the most incomplete job of them all at this point, and i seriously suspect they've got a rework planned.
Because if not, well, the alternative means that they truly do not care *at all* about the job's design. So yeah, let's just hope these changes just serve to be a placeholder for what they got planned.

I would hope for a rework if the current direction of drk wasn’t so at odds with what people who play it like about the job. I mean look at the paladin rework.
I don’t expect tbn to survive - even the fast paced burst has already been eroded. Also without dark arts and blood weapon, the spell blade/rune knight flavouring is very much reduced. I strongly disagree with the existence of esteem, but equally strongly suspect it will be the focal mechanic in a reworked drk. At the same time it has so clearly been neglected since 5.0 that it’s difficult to believe anyone on the design team cares for or enjoys it.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Eh, I did some napkin math around that and taking into account -40 Blood in 2min (Bloodweapon stacks 5 -> 3) and +50 from not having Living Shadow cost blood, leading to a net +10/2min, times five for 50 gauge you only actually gain one Bloodspiller in like 10min. The 5 Disesteem casts in 10min wont rock the boat to the same level either - that is about two combos of resources less, or -1200 MP in Disesteem + bonus Bloodspiller.

The real impact will without a doubt remain the reduction in Bloodweapon stacks per minute, leading to a whopping -12000 MP over the course of 10min, discounting the 10min-timed cooldown window. Beyond that, yeah... the downtime for DRK has absolutely been hurting. Where other tanks have received tools that at least come from using their kit (Inner Release -> 3x Fell Cleave -> Primal Wrath; Blade of Valor -> Honor ogcd, Lionheart combo from Bloodfest), we have received a line gcd every 2min. And unlike Shadowbringer which is 1200 potency in two OGCD casts, Disesteem replaces a GCD cast and grants no resources - the actual gain is miniscule and the big value really just comes if you throw it into a huge buff window.

We "REALLY" got the short end of the stick here.



Because we care and will continue giving feedback for the job we cared about. Call me Emet-Selch if you will, because I refuse to let go of what we once had.

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Playing the class shows to developers that you are happy with it.. just stop play it they will see that it is a big deal

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Playing the class shows to developers that you are happy with it.. just stop play it they will see that it is a big deal

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...and not playing it will make them think the job is too difficult and has to be neutered further. Healers, Summoner and Machinist are perfect testament to that. That would be a catch 22, wouldn't it?

I will continue supporting Dark Knight as a job with feedback how I feel about it and continue playing it to express my desire for playing Dark Knight and not the next flavour of the expansion job. Feel free to do as you like, however.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

...and not playing it will make them think the job is too difficult and has to be neutered further. Healers, Summoner and Machinist are perfect testament to that. That would be a catch 22, wouldn't it?

I will continue supporting Dark Knight as a job with feedback how I feel about it and continue playing it to express my desire for playing Dark Knight and not the next flavour of the expansion job. Feel free to do as you like, however.

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Do what you enjoy that what it is matter

Right now delirium is the most inferior among tank abilities. It don't give you a big damage like inner release. It don't give you 3 ogcds to weave like continuation. It don't give you mobility and reach like requiescat. It only give you bloodspillers and maybe one more eos and you want to reduce the weak weaponskill even further? Torcleaver while having a screen shaking effect,it lack a potency to make it a real finisher. Reduce the potency even more and it just going to be your normal filler combo. Quietus only deal 50 potency more than unleash I wonder is normal quietus going to be worth using over unleash+stalwart soul if it got potency reduced. But i suppose as long as there are more edge to spam and a once every 2 mins glorified dot to behold the shb enjoyer would be happy.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Playing the class shows to developers that you are happy with it.. just stop play it they will see that it is a big deal

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We don't do the drk strike. We only know how to land syphon strike.