SE really has no clue what to do with Scholar do they.

Why does it fit better with the design of the job, your entire springboard on this post is that Seraphism is good. Yet you’ve done nothing to explain why Seraphism is good. The skill basically amounts to a spreadlo amplifier with a lot of pretty effects

And all healers have a healing gauge, you cannot unilaterally gain more lily’s, you can’t draw these new cards at your own will. Dissipation is the only button that lets you get all your gauge back, they don’t need to buff the gauge effects, getting this many resources back itself is a massive buff itself. To say nothing of the GCD amplifier because SCH isn’t punished for spreadlo like the other healers, spreadlo is actively encouraged even during uptime

A skill is not bad because it’s the only class that has this design, if anything that’s a sign of skill diversity it’s not like SCH struggles at healing at all it just has to make choices, that is SCH’s design, if you want to vomit out healing with no downside SGE is right there

And regardless how is dissipation the problem you have with SCH’s cumulative kit, why is it the focus of your ire over the rest of the kit

I love dissipation and am happy they did not remove it :)

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

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Has no one seen the tool tip for Seraphism. Unlike Dissipation, which only gives Aetherflow and a 20% boost on spells, while sacrificing 1/3 of your skills, Seraphism increases healing output, without the lose. Additionally, while Dissipation does have a 20% increase in healing, the player base is still encouraged not to use their spells. But Seraphism does. Not only is the 20% baked into the spell upgrades, but the spells become instant and add more shielding, Catalyze is now guaranteed. Plus the skill comes with an auto regen added on to it. All of this without sacrificing the faerie. It encourages the shielding aspect of SCH, which Dissipation does not.

And I never said the other healers don't have a Guage. I just said that the closest gauge to SCH's is Sages. Both Sage and WHM gain their gauge resources automatically. And with WHM, if you use lilies, you get rewarded. Sage is even getting a new skill that casts heals everything they use a spell. Not just healing spells, not just damaging spells, just spells. Why is SCH the only one with a Counterintuitive skill.

And Why can't I just not like the skill. Why do I have to have a justification. I've given my reasons, but they apparently aren't good enough for you. I haven't liked Dissipation since it's inception, and that hasn't changed. Why do I have to swap jobs because I don't like something. And if Dissipation is such good design, what caveats should be given to the other healers to make them on par with the skil.

Dissipation is something everyone will have conflicting opinions on, I dont really like it either. But my dislike of Dissipation is secondary to my dislike of how clunky SCH feels because at this point its becoming the healer version of SHB SMN, we have a pet that can demi-summon with the built in delays while also now having a burst GCD heal phase and the whole aetherpoint energy drain vs heal choice. If healing actually did matter and healing rotations were actually a thing SCH would be as much of a mess to play as SMN was in SHB.
I truly believe that in 8.0 SCH will have a SMN style rework which completely removes the fairy as a pet and turns it into something we just have to have out to use abilities because the devs are making the same mistakes with SMNs design but with SCH in healing.

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Has no one seen the tool tip for Seraphism. Unlike Dissipation, which only gives Aetherflow and a 20% boost on spells, while sacrificing 1/3 of your skills, Seraphism increases healing output, without the lose. Additionally, while Dissipation does have a 20% increase in healing, the player base is still encouraged not to use their spells. But Seraphism does. Not only is the 20% baked into the spell upgrades, but the spells become instant and add more shielding, Catalyze is now guaranteed. Plus the skill comes with an auto regen added on to it. All of this without sacrificing the faerie. It encourages the shielding aspect of SCH, which Dissipation does not.

And I never said the other healers don't have a Guage. I just said that the closest gauge to SCH's is Sages. Both Sage and WHM gain their gauge resources automatically. And with WHM, if you use lilies, you get rewarded. Sage is even getting a new skill that casts heals everything they use a spell. Not just healing spells, not just damaging spells, just spells. Why is SCH the only one with a Counterintuitive skill.

And Why can't I just not like the skill. Why do I have to have a justification. I've given my reasons, but they apparently aren't good enough for you. I haven't liked Dissipation since it's inception, and that hasn't changed. Why do I have to swap jobs because I don't like something. And if Dissipation is such good design, what caveats should be given to the other healers to make them on par with the skil.

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Eloah I'm gonna be real with you I don't think you actually know how to play Scholar in difficult content and I think you should stop posting on this topic. Work on improving your play and understanding of the class before you offer suggestions on job changes.

"Dissipation 'only' gives Aetherflow and a 20% boost on spells" you revealed how inexperienced you are right here. 3 stacks of Aetherflow is INSANE. 20% boost on spells DOES encourage you to shield more, and yet you're arguing that Scholar should just have this skill removed and be weaker...because you want it to be? The only thing that needs changed is your attitude.

I think you need to reread the tooltip as serpahism neither forces a crit nor does it increase the shielding any more than any other 20% GCD amplifier (ie dissipation does) all it does is make spells instacast which isn’t exactly interesting

Not pankardia is completely irrelevant, the fact is no other healer can force generate a full set of gauge, that is what dissipations advantage is, if you had a skill that generated 3 lilys instantly I’d also want it to have a downside. Dissipation is incredibly powerful and its downsides reflect that, downsides you can mitigate by playing your cards in advance like how a tactician works, it’s not “counterintuitive” it’s a skill with a downside

You don’t have to have a justification for not liking the skill I’m simply discussing why I believe the reasons you are offering for why dissipation is a bad skill are poor, and again I’m still unsure why you are hinging your entire problems with SCH on dissipation, regardless of your opinions on it you can’t really think it’s the worst part of the class, hell it’s such a long CD you can realistically ignore the skill entirely if you want to

As for your final point I don’t believe any other healer needs to be given caveats in relation to dissipation specifically because no other healer has a skill that does what dissipation does, ergo it’s balanced with itself. In answer to the wider question I 100% support choice and interaction with all healing skills, SGE is boring as all sin because it lacks all of these

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Dissipation is something everyone will have conflicting opinions on, I dont really like it either. But my dislike of Dissipation is secondary to my dislike of how clunky SCH feels because at this point its becoming the healer version of SHB SMN, we have a pet that can demi-summon with the built in delays while also now having a burst GCD heal phase and the whole aetherpoint energy drain vs heal choice. If healing actually did matter and healing rotations were actually a thing SCH would be as much of a mess to play as SMN was in SHB.
I truly believe that in 8.0 SCH will have a SMN style rework which completely removes the fairy as a pet and turns it into something we just have to have out to use abilities because the devs are making the same mistakes with SMNs design but with SCH in healing.

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There are no mistakes being made with SCH design. Aetherflow Energy Drain heal choice (as you describe) is a core fundamental element of the class that involves thought and is incredibly enjoyable to play with. Scholar is extremely responsive now, any issue you have with it feeling clunky is likely a skill issue. If you want it reworked just play Sage and stop whining about a class you don't play.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

The fact it’s a damage tool, a healing tool, an emergency tool but one that also punishes you if it’s your first choice to press in an emergency all rolled into one is fantastic skill design

An ugly spirit Halloween angel garb that’s just a glorified spreadlo amplifier with zero downsides meanwhile is exactly the sort of design that the healers don’t need right now

Who the hell thought what SCH needed was a 4th spreadlo amplifier and more pure healing, I mean what are the regen healers even here for anymore

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Regen healers got barriers and more mitigation this time around, so while I don't particularly think SCH need more pure healing, I'm thinking maybe damage profile is finally high? After all tanks got more mitigation and DPS got more mitigation. Surely that's the case?
Or maybe that's just wishful thinking again like the past couple of expansions ... u.u I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard.

I still don't understand why Chain Strategem is a single target debuff, but locks the AoE DoT behind the single target skill... and the cooldown is unchanged as well. Animation wise, the name Baneful impaction doesn't live up to its expectation, but potencies are subject to change so I think it'll be fine on that front (I think it's 700 potency aoe oGCD, so it's not weak by any means). Although that's the only DPS skill they got and in a 120s cd so they really lost out I think? I guess I just miss old Bane more than liking new Bane. Deployment Tactics spreading a DoT feels far better than this and I feel should have been the path they took when they gave Seraphism to buff and apply instant cast shields.

Seraphism resetting the cooldown of Emergency tactics is going to be huge in progression. Strong recovery capability. Quite possibly one of the strongest gamechangers in managing MP. I think it'll be fun to play as long as damage profile is varied enough.

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There are no mistakes being made with SCH design. Aetherflow Energy Drain heal choice (as you describe) is a core fundamental element of the class that involves thought and is incredibly enjoyable to play with. Scholar is extremely responsive now, any issue you have with it feeling clunky is likely a skill issue. If you want it reworked just play Sage and stop whining about a class you don't play.

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I played prior to SHB and ive played it some in EW (did criterion and extreme no savages) it feels clunky with useless skills like Fey Blessing and Summon Seraph and the entire fairy gauge.
I can play SCH at a savage competent level its not hard (like all healers) its just not satisfying.

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I played prior to SHB and ive played it some in EW (did criterion and extreme no savages) it feels clunky with useless skills like Fey Blessing and Summon Seraph and the entire fairy gauge.
I can play SCH at a savage competent level its not hard (like all healers) its just not satisfying.

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If you're calling Fey Blessing and Summon Seraph and the entire fairy gauge useless, you don't know what you're talking about. Please stop commenting on posts for a class you do not know how to play.