Attributing post SB jobs to races

I find it hilarious that some are looking for absolutism to pin a job to a race. War is roegadyn's as Gunbreaker's hrothgar's; the rare instances that another race is also that job is called exceptions to the rule.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

I find it hilarious that some are looking for absolutism to pin a job to a race. War is roegadyn's as Gunbreaker's hrothgar's; the rare instances that another race is also that job is called exceptions to the rule.

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We already found out in multiple examples in the game that this is not true.

In Stormblood we find out that one tribe of the Xaela are doing the same exact inner rage Warrior thing that the Hellsguard were doing. Gunbreaker is Bozjan and while the Hrothgar may have invented it, Bozja is a country made up of many races that aren't Hrothgar and the Garleans copied it anyway. The most famous gunbreaker in the game is also Thancred, a Hyur. The Ronkans also independently invented something very close to Gunbreaker on their own as well.

Like others have said, it's much more accurate to say that the jobs are closer tied to countries and cultures than they are to races. The only one you can really say is a "racial" job is Reaper because it was created specifically for a race of people who cannot otherwise manipulate aether to the same extent other races could and the only non-Garlean Reaper in the entire game is the WoL.

Race is so unimportant to Sharlayan that you wouldn't be able to pin any of their disciplines to one anyway since Sharlayans do not care about it and don't even report their own racial distribution.

And like was mentioned before, Monk is Ala Mhigan, not Highlander. Miqo'te also make up a portion of Ala Mhigo's population and are represented as having been Monks in their questline and also the main original Red Mage in their own questline.

Dragoon and Machinist are Ishgardian disciplines, not Elezen. Ishgard is made up of both races and even Hyur can enter knighthood and the nobility after they kill a dragon, which explains the existing Hyur nobles who must've had a dragon-killing ancestor and the trainer for the whole job, who is a Hyur. Machinist was invented by an Elezen, but the whole point of the job was something accessible to anyone and the questline is made up of Hyur and half-Hyur being trained by a Roegadyn.

In all these instances, the race attributed to each job is a byproduct of the culture that race is from, not necessarily the race itself except in the case of Reaper where it was invented when the country was only made up of a single race to solve a problem inherent to that race.

Yeah, we're clearly looking at an instance of someone declaring something that's just straight-up not true, but has barely enough circumstantial evidence to almost resemble being true. Like, it's not 'the WoL is a dragon' blatantly false where you can just point to the obvious counterevidence, it's just declaring a pattern existed that then stopped, when that pattern both didn't exist and, by his own definition, didn't stop.

I do think that, when chewing on this, it does kinda accidentally highlight how the game's depiction of given nations evolved over time. Because early on, they kinda did have a 'planet of hats' thing going where nations that weren't being centered--and therefore, the jobs that came from there--were often completely racially homogenous. Nym was just a land of lalafel, Abalathia's Spine was just a land of roegadyn, Ala Mhigo was, early on, just a land of highlanders (plus the midlander ladies that were added back before highlanders could be female). The writers were never content to just leave that to be true when it came to a nation they're actually focusing on, so places we actually go get a lot more diversity than that, but early on it does lead to this vibe that only the nations we actually visit (at least, that are still standing) are the ones with racial diversity.