New scholar changes are not great

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Originally Posted by Kimmay

Scholar's limit break is called Angel Feathers. The Lv50 relic is an angel winged book. The lv60 Anima has swirling angel wings. Scholar has been angelic since 2.0

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Yeaaah, that's incredibly flimsy. 1 weapon sort of has feather motif and a move you don't see for hours of gameplay. The only overtly "angelic" thing about the LB3 animation is Seraph showing up anyway.

The job is just a huge clusterfuck of aesthetics without adding robes and angel wings to the mix too. If anything they should entirely rework Seraph, not double down on the most confusing and clunky party of the SCH design. SCH players have been complaining about it mechanically and aesthetically for ages, asking Seraph to at least get glamors. Seems kind of a spiting move to tack on even more clutter.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

I just don't think you can fairly say that this is anything other than out of left field.

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Every capstone ability starting at Lv.60 is either directly related to the fairy, or fairy/butterfly themed (Expedient). Yet another fairly-related capstone ability is completely expected.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

Every capstone ability starting at Lv.60 is either directly related to the fairy, or fairy/butterfly themed (Expedient). Yet another fairly-related capstone ability is completely expected.

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Angels aren't fairies. It'd be like if warrior got a direct crit capstone with 4 digit potency, but the visual theming was water based instead of earth/angry.

Hearing that SCH players want DoTs back and then giving us a DoT we can only use every 2 minutes is so magnificently tone-deaf that it's so very much what SE would do.

Guess our job sucks for another 3 years then.

I’ve never really been a fan of the visual effects that spam fairies everywhere like Expedient (despite my name :rolleyes:), my companion is LILY the fairy and I want to do more things with her. I want individual pet GCD actions, I want the Fey Gauge to work like she has an MP bar, I want Selene and incentive to switch between Eos and Selene in combat.

But this Party City costume really takes the cake. Not only throwing around Seraph as a relegated Rouse when she’s supposed to be someone capable of LB3, and then not even explaining her awkward appearance in the Lvl 80 quest or any interaction afterwards, but then doubling down on her for another capstone instead of Lily… I’m not exactly sure where they’re getting the “feedback” asking for more of her. Even Expedient can be sort of explained as Lily calling her friends for help. The ability itself doesn’t even feel inspired, it looks like Dissipation without the drawbacks of Dissipation.

And of course the new attack is a nothingburger and their way of shooing away people that want a proper rotation. It’s funny they won’t even add just one hard-casted DoT on a different timer than Bio that I imagine would be satisfactory enough.

It’s like every expansion they ask themselves “how do we ensure SCH remains the strongest healer by far while also ensuring it’s always the most boring healer” and then just do whatever first pops into their head

A 4th spreadlo amplifier is undoubtedly incredibly powerful and if it also interacts with emergency tactics to improve SCH’s pure healing capacity there is no doubt in my mind SCH will remain the meta healer especially given how overpowered spreadlo is in ultimates (remember how they buffed SGE 3 times to compensate for spreadlo and it’s still stronger anyway) and even if it doesn’t a 2nd unconditional amplifier (dissipation locks fairy heals and illumination is also a mitigation) is itself incredibly powerful

So yes more like as not SCH will continue to hold the same place it’s held since 5.2, overpowered top of the heap but boring as all sin

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Originally Posted by fulminating

1. Angel feathers is the ability of seraph (esper/summon) from ff6.
1b. personal limit breaks were a heavensward thing.
2. the level 60 white mage artefact weapon, seraph cane, is called seraph cane and has a seraph on it.
3. if you consider the amdapor archetecture and golemancy in lost city of amdapor (hard), there's a clear angelic bent.
4. every angel mention either of us has brought up is from heavensward specifically.

Edit: so in the expansion with heavy religious overtones both healers were given the same religious imagery. However, white mage continued using the christian/angelic theming - divine benison, plenary indulgence, afflatus rapture, temperance, liturgy (of the bell) and seraph strike. I'm not going to count miracle of nature there, as that tends to refer to more natural wonder than overt divinity. Scholar on the other hand has excogition, chain stratagem, recitation and protraction as tactical themed names, with expedient being a forced march effect that tends to have militaristic connotation. The other scholar abilities having fairy naming convention.

I just don't think you can fairly say that this is anything other than out of left field.

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I've played this game since 2011, I'm quite aware of when the individual limit breaks came out. Just because they didn't appear until Heavensward doesn't mean that SE thought of them the patch before they came out. It was long before decided, during the 2.x patches, that SCH would have Angel Wing. Just like long before the relic weapons were finished, it was decided that SCH would have an angel book. And note then, that Whm had a nature themed weapon. Whm becoming more and more divine has no bearing on whether or not Sch has always had an angel association. And the vast majority of abilities added to Whm, and every other job, are simply the abilities they have in FFXI. Afflatus Solace and Misery, for example, are called Heart of Solace and Misery in Japanese. Which are the stances added to Whm in FFXI. Divine Benison was a trait that allowed Whm (and Scholar) to cast status healing spells faster, and with less enmity.
Scholar does have a military theme. It also has a butterfly theme. It also has a scholarly/school theme (Broils' Japanese names are literally about scolding and lecturing someone). Transforming with the power of Lily may be out of nowhere, especially now that Sch is making a hard break from its Arcanist roots, but angel themes are not.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It’s like every expansion they ask themselves “how do we ensure SCH remains the strongest healer by far while also ensuring it’s always the most boring healer” and then just do whatever first pops into their head

A 4th spreadlo amplifier is undoubtedly incredibly powerful and if it also interacts with emergency tactics to improve SCH’s pure healing capacity there is no doubt in my mind SCH will remain the meta healer especially given how overpowered spreadlo is in ultimates (remember how they buffed SGE 3 times to compensate for spreadlo and it’s still stronger anyway) and even if it doesn’t a 2nd unconditional amplifier (dissipation locks fairy heals and illumination is also a mitigation) is itself incredibly powerful

So yes more like as not SCH will continue to hold the same place it’s held since 5.2, overpowered top of the heap but boring as all sin

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There are 3 constants in the world of FFXIV that's in every expansion:

1) SCH is always OP
2) WAR is always better than every other tank
3) BLM always plays differently at every level cap

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Originally Posted by Kimmay

I've played this game since 2011, I'm quite aware of when the individual limit breaks came out. Just because they didn't appear until Heavensward doesn't mean that SE thought of them the patch before they came out. It was long before decided, during the 2.x patches, that SCH would have Angel Wing. Just like long before the relic weapons were finished, it was decided that SCH would have an angel book. And note then, that Whm had a nature themed weapon. Whm becoming more and more divine has no bearing on whether or not Sch has always had an angel association. And the vast majority of abilities added to Whm, and every other job, are simply the abilities they have in FFXI. Afflatus Solace and Misery, for example, are called Heart of Solace and Misery in Japanese. Which are the stances added to Whm in FFXI. Divine Benison was a trait that allowed Whm (and Scholar) to cast status healing spells faster, and with less enmity.
Scholar does have a military theme. It also has a butterfly theme. It also has a scholarly/school theme (Broils' Japanese names are literally about scolding and lecturing someone). Transforming with the power of Lily may be out of nowhere, especially now that Sch is making a hard break from its Arcanist roots, but angel themes are not.

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You've played since 2011 which means you are entirely familiar with the in-house localisation supposedly working closely to ensure the intent is correct across language barriers. For example, liturgy of the bell's french name is Tintinnabule, a tintinnabulum is a bell mounted on a pole, signifying a link with the Pope. You can run through the others yourself to see that they are all catholic/christianity themed in both english and french. I think it's similar for german, except for liturgy being glockenspiel for some reason.

Shall we examine Thyrus, Nirvana and their abundance of feathered wings, or maybe majestas, cane of the white tsar and sindri, aymur, elemental cane, law's order cane or that manderville one with the wings around a crystal.

We have also literally just had aloaolo island, with several bits of arcanima lore elaborated on and the scholar equivalent of tataru's carbuncle.

Once again, Whm becoming more angelic and religion oriented has nothing to do with Scholar. So I'll reiterate for you, since you've chosen to ignore the point that I made: Whm is getting the vast majority of its new abilities from FFXI, where Whm and Pld are religion based jobs. Those jobs becoming more a more divine as time goes on is a matter of laziness, that has nothing to do with the founding lore of either job. FFXIV Whm is founded on using the power of nature, specifically Earth, Wind, and Water, and had nothing to do with the divine. Whm was the nature healer, and Sch was the angelic healer. Whm going back on the FFXIV lore to become more like older versions of Whm has nothing to do with what they'd been doing with the jobs for years prior. Whm using glare and dia on the first was acceptable for lore reasons, but it should have ended when we returned to the source.