The 7.0 Graphical update preview is an objective failure

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Originally Posted by sahroo

I didn't think my post was that hyperbolic as, given the sentiment on this forum that I have seen, Cbu3 did fail their stated goal. That is my genuine concern.

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The problem is that the data you're pulling is an extremely tiny percentage of the overall player base, and one that is predisposed to have a negative opinion. This makes any conclusion you draw from that data ultimately meaningless.

It doesn't seem like it's coming from a place of concern. It just seems like an excuse to make a "screw Square Enix, am I right guys?" thread and get a bunch of virtual high fives.

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Originally Posted by Embran

More than that, I’ve already said I liked the updates in other threads and I’ve just gotten pushback like “good for you, nobody asked” from people who are frustrated by them. I understand why others would want to drown out the positive sentiment regarding the updates in hopes that they don’t go through, but expressing positive sentiment here usually paints a target on your back. I dare not say that I enjoyed Endwalker’s MSQ.

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lol same

Since I was personally unhappy with how my character turned out, I saw a fair number of complaints on twitter and reddit. There have also been a few articles from gaming sites about how the graphical updates wasn't wholly positive.

That being said there are a lot of characters that turned out well. I think that's because they aren't really finished yet, and have spent more time on some faces/combinations than others. I personally hope they have more updates coming, as the benchmark faq did say it's a work in progress.

If you are posting in a thread where people are expressing their concern with your own delight I'm not sure why you would expect a positive response. I get the desire to try to either make people feel better or refute how people feel about the changes, but that's only going to make people feel worse.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The problem is that the data you're pulling is an extremely tiny percentage of the overall player base, and one that is predisposed to have a negative opinion. This makes any conclusion you draw from that data ultimately meaningless.

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That doesn't matter- OP is objectively correct here

It's a fact that CBU3 said they weren't going to make characters look different, and it's a fact that there are several faces that have had their meshes changed in some way

That said, a lot of it is probably due to haphazard use of Subdivision smoothing out detail

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Originally Posted by LordMcMutton

That doesn't matter- OP is objectively correct here

It's a fact that CBU3 said they weren't going to make characters look different, and it's a fact that there are several faces that have had their meshes changed in some way

That said, a lot of it is probably due to haphazard use of Subdivision smoothing out detail

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They didn't say they weren't going to make them look different. They said they were going to try and keep them from looking as different as possible.

This is why hyperbole is stupid and why the title should have avoided calling an extremely subjective matter "objective" because instead of actually leaving feedback, we are now going to get in to a 10 page argument about whose hyperbole is better.

There are a lot of legitimate concerns and grievances and feedback is good and can only help everyone be happy with their characters. It's a shame we have to waste that energy arguing semantics.

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

The graphic update ? More like graphic change and half is good and the other half is uncanny. For me its disappointing. We waited and got told "we do soo much and sooo good, yada yada..." and thats "IT"? BTw.: No real cirticsim? Yeah, you wish or better i wish. There is : clipping, washed out colors, badly attached textures and so on. Also we got changes in many cases not real upgrades. Why no lips ? Or why does my hair look like plastic? Why does my skin look like rubber? Why is there a diffrence in quality of textures on the SAME model? Why is the texture not on my char but floats on it? And thats just the tech part. NOT the part where is ask: WHY DID YOU CHANGE FORMS, SHAPES AND COLORS? But hey, we all are just a hoax, bots and should wait until launch. It will be all better.... as always Yoshida saves this game. From what`? Me dont know, ask the peeps who fight for the "million-dollar-corp".

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This isn't feedback. This isn't constructive criticism. This just sounds like entitled whining. Granted, I have not read any of your other posts in regards to the matter. I am talking about this one specifically and other rants of the same cloth.

Fact of the matter is you have no choice but to wait until launch, and even then it's not like this is going to be hot fixed in an emergency update. We won't see any updates to this until 7.1 at best, or around seven months, and that's low balling it. The dev team is very likely going to be addressing the fundamental technical setbacks and gameplay issues based on high duty feedback from trusted savage raiders as their first and foremost priority. This is even more true if they make substantial changes. Buckle up.

This graphical update is cosmetic. I understand and relate to emotional attachment to one's own character, as does the dev team. But at the end of the day, that's what it is. It's fine to leave feedback, it's fine to express criticism, but be an adult about it.

Many players have strong and legitimate concerns about these updates and are able to express themselves as adults without sounding like they are owed something.

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Originally Posted by Embran

They didn't say they weren't going to make them look different. They said they were going to try and keep them from looking as different as possible.

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Based on OP's quotes, they literally did.

Even if that minor change to the phrasing was the case, it still means they didn't follow through, as- like I said- there are literal changes to certain facial features on meshes.

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Originally Posted by LordMcMutton

Based on OP's quotes, they literally did.

Even if that minor change to the phrasing was the case, it still means they didn't follow through, as- like I said- there are literal changes to certain facial features on meshes.

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Yoshida literally said at fanfest the reason they are giving everyone a free fantasia is because characters WILL look different and because people WILL have to tweak them to get the look they want or are used to.

Now we're arguing over boring semantics because of a title that could have been worded better.

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Originally Posted by LordMcMutton

Based on OP's quotes, they literally did.

Even if that minor change to the phrasing was the case, it still means they didn't follow through, as- like I said- there are literal changes to certain facial features on meshes.

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They said "overall appearance of player characters will be altered as little as possible."

"As little as possible" quite literally means still altered to some degree.

If that weren't the case there would be no point in handing out a free fantasia to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Embran

Yoshida literally said at fanfest the reason they are giving everyone a free fantasia is because characters WILL look different and because people WILL have to tweak them to get the look they want or are used to.

Now we're arguing over boring semantics because of a title that could have been worded better.

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My points don't have any relation to OP's title- I just used the word 'objective' too. I'm not sure it's just semantics, either.

I'm not certain on the timeline- do you happen to know the order in which the fantasia quote and OP's quotes happened?

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Originally Posted by LordMcMutton

My points don't have any relation to OP's title- I just used the word 'objective' too. I'm not sure it's just semantics, either.

I'm not certain on the timeline- do you happen to know the order in which the fantasia quote and OP's quotes happened?

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I am referencing Yoshida's JP fanfest quote where the free fantasia was announced, which is more recent by over two years.

This is the problem with throwing the word "objective" around like this.