Graphical Update Character Creator Feedback [Miqo'te Male]

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Originally Posted by Averax

Unless i'm mistaken. They didn't change any of the geometry of the faces. Just the textures and shaders. The face is going to look irrevocably different by virtue of that. Because, quite frankly, they were god awful before, and you were used to that.

I'm looking at your screenshots and that's all i'm seeing. Updated textures and shaders that make the shape of the face seem different. There are some things they can work on, like the eye shine and the default lipstick shape

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They 100% have changed the geometry of faces, at times drastically. Mouths in particular are different but also eyes, chins, jawlines, general proportions etc.

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Originally Posted by DistantAnswers

One thing I also noticed, as a Face 3 Miqo player, is that the optional tattoos on the outside of his eyes have been paled a bit. (glitteringcosmos pointed this out too with their character's cheek tattoos. So I'm guessing it's consistent throughout tattoos?)
This is one thing that's bothering me most because it feels like my character's face shape is read differently now that his tattoos no longer match his forehead marking ;-;

https://64.media.tumblr.com/e70ad8d2...d03faa7d91.pnj

He's a little more grey as well now, but I think I could get over that one personally. The tattoos no longer being dark bother me more ;-;

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Exactly. If I wanted my tattoos to be pale I would have picked a pale color. They're an integral part of his character design and if they're going to lighten them at LEAST give us the option of light and dark like they do with face paint.

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

Then they've screwed up. Changes to textures shouldn't make the geometry of the faces look THAT different. Tell me, comparing my face 1 WoL to my face 4 WoL, that they are the same level of similarity, and I'll call you a liar, because they're NOT.

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I'm looking at one you posted right now. One screenshot in current graphics looks like you're not reflecting soft ambient light well, and the new graphics look like you are (they also look like they're from different angles so that may also be a factor.). Our characters have never been very good at shading and reflecting/refracting light. Think of those times you might have stood directly under a light source and your character suddenly looked very strange.

Some of the textures do need a second pass. Like the base lipstick on male miqo'te face 4 is a seemingly different shape than the original. The eyes don't feel very lively either. Like they're not reflecting light properly. So that needs to be adjusted. But the overall shape of the face is exactly the same, i'm 99% sure they didn't touch geometry. The way light wraps around things can make geometry look different in a dramatic way.

edit: In-game i use a shader for extra ambient occlusion. It gives my character better artificial shading. It dramatically changes the way my character looks in most scenarios

Echoing all of this. My character is not looking himself in the graphics preview. It's not that different and yet it all feels off.

Also, the braided ponytail hairstyle remains broken, with the side braids still hovering well off the face and very noticable at certain angles. (I could not figure out how to zoom in on my laptop without a mouse, so cannot check whether you can also still see daylight right under the central braid from a profile view.)

Current face:
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...31ab7ac9d5.jpg

Benchmark face:
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...719a8a9c97.jpg

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Originally Posted by Averax

I'm looking at one you posted right now. One screenshot in current graphics looks like you're not reflecting soft ambient light well, and the new graphics look like you are (they also look like they're from different angles so that may also be a factor.). Our characters have never been very good at shading and reflecting/refracting light. Think of those times you might have stood directly under a light source and your character suddenly looked very strange.

Some of the textures do need a second pass. Like the base lipstick on male miqo'te face 4 is a seemingly different shape than the original. The eyes don't feel very lively either. Like they're not reflecting light properly. So that needs to be adjusted. But the overall shape of the face is exactly the same, i'm 99% sure they didn't touch geometry. The way light wraps around things can make geometry look different in a dramatic way.

edit: In-game i use a shader for extra ambient occlusion. It gives my character better artificial shading. It dramatically changes the way my character looks in most scenarios

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My friend you need to have your eyes checked because the overall shape is NOT the same. And they're the same angles, just different lighting because they were facing different source lighting. If you can't see how the angles being softened/lids being in different positions is a change in geometry, I don't know what to tell you.

So. Any chance we will have option to downgrade the graphics on our own character?
I was never the craziest fan of this graphics update anyway.

EDIT
Loving OG #1, #6 and #15
they are sharper and easier to read as they are.

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Originally Posted by BasalIntegral

http://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...49a9a39134.png https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...8f4fdbf3b8.png

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLG9Ma5X...pg&name=medium

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Originally Posted by Kahnopee

https://i.imgur.com/aFfdxZ5.png

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Eyewhites popping like they do in new looks are uncanny.

Like... bruh. I know this is the Male Miqo thread, but this was from a poster over on the JP forums. Look at these eyes and try again to tell me that the geometry hasn't changed LOL

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...4f3a8e16ec.jpg

The eyes don't look right for certain. The shading at the top is too dark, obscuring the catchlights while also removing a lot of the vibrant color from it. It blends into the eyelashes and makes the eyes look souless/droopy/etc. The pupils are also not as prominent as in the original which is a shame.

The nose appears rounder/wider which could be due to lighting sure. My main issue is honestly the eyes, however.

https://i.imgur.com/5zK1YF5.png

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

Like... bruh. I know this is the Male Miqo thread, but this was from a poster over on the JP forums. Look at these eyes and try again to tell me that the geometry hasn't changed LOL

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...4f3a8e16ec.jpg

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I'm looking at it, and you're confusing textures for geometry.

No eye shine, darker lip color, deeper shadows, and nose shine. If you threw on eye shine and a ligher lipstick it would look 75% more normal.

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Originally Posted by Azhyk

The eyes don't look right for certain. The shading at the top is too dark, obscuring the catchlights while also removing a lot of the vibrant color from it. It blends into the eyelashes and makes the eyes look souless/droopy/etc. The pupils are also not as prominent as in the original which is a shame.

The nose appears rounder/wider which could be due to lighting sure. My main issue is honestly the eyes, however.

https://i.imgur.com/5zK1YF5.png

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To me it looks like eyes dont play by the same ganeral lighting as the rest of the guy.
What that mean in 3d art terms i have no idea.