The Trinity System in PVP

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Originally Posted by Araxes

So i played Healer back in the Feast (Scholar) and achieved top 100 with it. While the Healer did have a huge impact, i do not think that it is accurate that only the healer mattered.

I had my fair share of matches where i outhealed the enemy healer tenfold but nothing died on the enemy side until i just ran out of mana. Tank Stuns and DPS CC mattered a lot especially later in the high tiers.

Also: being a Healer in the Feast was extremely stressful wich is probably the main reason the trinity got removed. Not to many had enough endurance to play and stick to the healer role until they got good enough.

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The role spread was a lot less prevalent in top 100 or diamond than in lower ranks, where the skill of the healer was the defining factor for the game and outweighed every other consideration like damage, burst syncing, etc. The Feast was essentially balanced around diamond and top ranks more than anything, which isn't to say that it's an oddity in multiplayer gaming since pure balance usually matters at the top level the most, but it becomes a problem when it generates fundamental issues like this at lower skill play.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

So i played Healer back in the Feast (Scholar) and achieved top 100 with it. While the Healer did have a huge impact, i do not think that it is accurate that only the healer mattered.

I had my fair share of matches where i outhealed the enemy healer tenfold but nothing died on the enemy side until i just ran out of mana. Tank Stuns and DPS CC mattered a lot especially later in the high tiers.

Also: being a Healer in the Feast was extremely stressful wich is probably the main reason the trinity got removed. Not to many had enough endurance to play and stick to the healer role until they got good enough.

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You actually brought up another issue but primarily in casual play.
Almost every engagement in Frontlines was just a massive zerg where nothing died for minutes until one faction's healers ran out of MP, it was incredibly boring.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

You actually brought up another issue but primarily in casual play.
Almost every engagement in Frontlines was just a massive zerg where nothing died for minutes until one faction's healers ran out of MP, it was incredibly boring.

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Or they just targeted the healers first, which getting instantly nuked was always fun....not really.

6.1 was a net destruction of what pvp was, this casual shit has gone too long. DRK is still the meta after almost 2 years. borrrrrrrrrringgggg

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Originally Posted by Valence

I don't miss it at all, unlike for pve. It was full of problems, putting 95% of the party weight on healers, even after the introduction of potions/recuperate. If you want to reduce recuperate as well, then welcome back to pre ShB pvp where only healers matter.

I also do not want to go back to the good old times of 2 people per party had to take the bullet and swap to healer in FLs else you'd have 90% chance of losing if the other team did it and not yours.

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Its an MMO. Everyone shouldnt be a dps, healer, and tank. Roles dont matter anymore

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Originally Posted by Niroken

Or they just targeted the healers first, which getting instantly nuked was always fun....not really.

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then youre not playing right. As a team, you protect your healer and the healer keeps you alive. So no, if playing properly you wouldnt be "nuked"

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Originally Posted by Kurbb

then youre not playing right. As a team, you protect your healer and the healer keeps you alive. So no, if playing properly you wouldnt be "nuked"

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Annoy enough people on the other side, and they will find a way to nuke you on sight.

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Originally Posted by Aubrey_A

• And: Healers being revised back to full-time healing

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And so, how will you encourage tank/dps to help healers to stay alive? If you want to crub their damage dealing potential (supposedly), to give them whole bunch of new heals.
If I were made healing healer again, I would demand all of us to have un-nerfed Miracle of Nature at least, and some form of mean aoe cc (unnerfed Gravity?), because there ain't tank/melee/ranged/caster in pvp who is more interested on me sprinkling some hots or whatever rather than their own kills.

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Originally Posted by Kurbb

So no, if playing properly you wouldnt be "nuked"

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Only way I ever got dps off of my hail in Feast was to sleep/stun/whatever-was-available them to shadowrealm.

I have to agree, I also miss a more defined trinity in PvP. I don't think there is a need for a strict trinity like in PvE, but, everyone having a bunch of heals and shields does remove a lot of the MMO feel that I'm personally used to. Also makes gameplay more zergy and smaller battles impossible as it stands.

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Originally Posted by RevenSix

I have to agree, I also miss a more defined trinity in PvP. I don't think there is a need for a strict trinity like in PvE, but, everyone having a bunch of heals and shields does remove a lot of the MMO feel that I'm personally used to. Also makes gameplay more zergy and smaller battles impossible as it stands.

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Having a strict trinity is (1) useless unless everyone understands their roles as Burmecia points out, having seen a number of players who likely have no concept of peeling for their healer- I could imagine healers being in short supply (2) personally I prefer the healer changes, they each have their individual identities in PvP so they're actually more fun in PvP than they were before especially given (1) and (3) not sure what you mean now by 'small" battles being impossible? If it's 1 or 2 v2 that's not really optimal in FL or RW. You do get smaller groups at points in RW, so you've lost me a bit there