The past few final dungeons…

I like old pre duty support Ghimlyt. Making Hien and Yugiri as part of your team means that even if you run it with others now they don't show up and split off at the start and I want to say don't even appear in the later half of the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Thinking about the Dead Ends, I actually feel like the Nibirun are the only part of it that really chafes from the limitations. The Grebuloffs and Karellians ultimately tell very simple and understandable stories (with the Grebuloffs in particular benefitting form releasing in late 2021); the Karellians in particular would like and can use more spotlight than they got, which helps them be a highlight of the Omicron quests, but they get across their point in a small space. But the Nibirun have a fairly heady concept that just can't be entirely conveyed in the space of one third of a dungeon; even the Omicron and allied tribe quests, which I think give them enough space to be the strongest part of both, relegates what I think are really important parts of their whole concept to implication and side dialog.

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Thing is, I took the Nibiruians to actually be an FF Unlimited reference (specifically, the 'Apathetics' from one of the first episodes, the 'World of Fruits' I believe the world was called, it was so long ago I saw that anime) as both are robe-clad lotus eaters sitting around aimless and waiting for death that never comes (given the later final battle against Zenos also includes a pretty blatant FFU reference - aka the special buff you get is litereally called 'Unlimited' - I presumed it was intentional.).

Really to me, the Dead Ends' main issue was it was basically just a rehash of Amaurot in ShB as both were thematically the same - recreation of the fall of a past civilization/world used as a whip to beat the WoL and their companions about how much they suck and how powerless they ultimately are, the Dead Ends only differeing by showing three such fallen societies (and the setting times of both Amaurot and the Dead Ends took place around the same time period and involved the same figure really!). I still enjoyed playing through it though (and I loved the music).

On the other hand, it was still disappointing we did not get something more original, say a reality-warped descent into Meteion's despair that did not involve the dead worlds she encountered, but ah well. Hardly EW's worst sin I guess.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Thing is, I took the Nibiruians to actually be an FF Unlimited reference (specifically, the 'Apathetics' from one of the first episodes, the 'World of Fruits' I believe the world was called, it was so long ago I saw that anime) as both are robe-clad lotus eaters sitting around aimless and waiting for death that never comes (given the later final battle against Zenos also includes a pretty blatant FFU reference - aka the special buff you get is litereally called 'Unlimited' - I presumed it was intentional.).

Really to me, the Dead Ends' main issue was it was basically just a rehash of Amaurot in ShB as both were thematically the same - recreation of the fall of a past civilization/world used as a whip to beat the WoL and their companions about how much they suck and how powerless they ultimately are, the Dead Ends only differeing by showing three such fallen societies (and the setting times of both Amaurot and the Dead Ends took place around the same time period and involved the same figure really!). I still enjoyed playing through it though (and I loved the music).

On the other hand, it was still disappointing we did not get something more original, say a reality-warped descent into Meteion's despair that did not involve the dead worlds she encountered, but ah well. Hardly EW's worst sin I guess.

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I would to think that all of the races on ultima thule were not affected by the endsinger's song. Meteion had visited these civilizations that had already fallen and she used that to influence her decision. I guess you could say it was a rehash, but amaurot was unique. That place was affected by the song and i know they said the amaurotines created

these beasts, but I'd like think they were influenced by something. It isn't like they created therion out of thin air.

I ran acrf back in hw and i had complained the timer was too short. There were some good dungeon back in the day but se has abandoned that.