Guess I finally give up Bard in PvP

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

EU is the lowest quality pvp out of the 3 main data regions. You are the lowest sample size of matches and comps since you allow your ranked pvp to die for half the season every season damn near. Your data region doesn't even treat pvp seriously, you're not going to be included in balance change discussions.

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So what? We should dump regions that have different metas or environments because of what? Their activity?

I haven't played on other DCs to check how it is, and frankly, while I find it interesting to learn more about it, I don't see how saying that "you don't matter and should suck it up even if balance changes literally harm your region even more" helps anything..

( i'd actually be interested to have takes from actual EU players that have dabbled in all and see if they hold the same view on it )

Edit: also, you completely missed the point I was making.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

EU is the lowest quality pvp out of the 3 main data regions. You are the lowest sample size of matches and comps since you allow your ranked pvp to die for half the season every season damn near. Your data region doesn't even treat pvp seriously, you're not going to be included in balance change discussions.

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Hopefully you don't believe NA is any more relevant nor included in balance changes discussions lmao

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

EU is the lowest quality pvp out of the 3 main data regions. You are the lowest sample size of matches and comps since you allow your ranked pvp to die for half the season every season damn near. Your data region doesn't even treat pvp seriously, you're not going to be included in balance change discussions.

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Treating PVP in this game seriously is a joke in itself. Just because someone knows how to time perfectly Silent, it doesn't mean you need to nerf the job over and over again, what will come next?, because the same thing will happen over and over again until Silent has a cooldown time of 2minute and duration of 0.1 seconds, or they remove it entirely. You can calculate it all you want, someone already did in my other post, it won't change anything. If they go like this just because at fanfest everyone used Bard, at the end of this year, Bard will have almost no dmg and a silent, so it will become a job that does only 1 thing, pushes 1 button at the right time for the team to finish 1 player, or already is exactly that. I would not be surprised if in the next patch, Bard gets an overall range nerf to 10 yards, so meles can hit them all the time. They made a job, that has a skill that is too strong in their little 5vs5 game if it's used right, so now they nerf it to the ground to be a boring 1 button job that only helps their team to kill 1 people every 30seconds now, because by itself can't push anyone to even care if you hit them.

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Originally Posted by KiraShalen

Hopefully you don't believe NA is any more relevant nor included in balance changes discussions lmao

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More relevant than EU, but not more than JP since 2 data centers for NA die for several days/weeks as well consistently, just not as bad as EU. JP has 6-8 hours of pvp on every data center, the entire season, at crystal rank, holidays included. They don't take breaks so they smoke NA and EU in terms of sample size which is what they said they based nerfs and buffs off of.

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Originally Posted by Valence

So what? We should dump regions that have different metas or environments because of what? Their activity?

I haven't played on other DCs to check how it is, and frankly, while I find it interesting to learn more about it, I don't see how saying that "you don't matter and should suck it up even if balance changes literally harm your region even more" helps anything..

( i'd actually be interested to have takes from actual EU players that have dabbled in all and see if they hold the same view on it )

Edit: also, you completely missed the point I was making.

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Yes. That is what the developers already stated they do. They looked at the statistics for win rates across several data centers to decide what is buffed and nerfed, and if you're looking at win rates, you're probably looking at sample sizes and skill with said sample size as added elements. JP is the only data region with increased matchmaking difficulty because they're the only data region active enough to support SE making more competitive matches so they're going to have the highest influence on balance changes by a good margin, then NA after, then EU, then OCE.

(a bit) more active doesn't mean it's better. NA is the perfect example (not only for this game)

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Originally Posted by KiraShalen

(a bit) more active doesn't mean it's better. NA is the perfect example (not only for this game)

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"a bit" is a little underestimating considering I just lost getting top 100 by 1 day's worth of grind because the Chaos DC had half their pvp discord vote to leave ranked matches dead for over 4 weeks including the last week of the season.

When the rewards are garbage there's not much reason to play. A lot of people in EU just go for handful of wins to get their top 100 and quit for season out of habit at this point.

Back when nobody had them during the first like two seasons, the queues popped around the clock.

As for the actual topic, I'm pretty indifferent for the changes at this point.

To be honest JP probably have the right mindset and play for the mode instead of the rewards, but that's another topic.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

Yes. That is what the developers already stated they do. They looked at the statistics for win rates across several data centers to decide what is buffed and nerfed, and if you're looking at win rates, you're probably looking at sample sizes and skill with said sample size as added elements. JP is the only data region with increased matchmaking difficulty because they're the only data region active enough to support SE making more competitive matches so they're going to have the highest influence on balance changes by a good margin, then NA after, then EU, then OCE.

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You're making a boatload of assumptions to serve your narrative, but that could be possible, don't get me wrong.

Still completely beyond the point I made but whatever.

Squenix's approach to PVP is backwards. They keep punishing good players for being able to optimize their class while rewarding bad players by making it easier to not use your brain and still get kills. PvP isn't PvE and Squenix needs to stop nerfing classes that don't need to be nerfed. Players need to get better. It's PvP, it's competitive. If a team is letting an opposing BRD spam freely in the backlines, then that's on them for being bad. There's absolutely no reason for another BRD nerf.

Same with MNK RoE, good players will time their CC's to prevent MNK from getting it off. It takes forever to activate to begin with. Now, with the 8s duration, MNK timing is all off and now MNK players will have to adjust to something that didn't even needed to be nerfed.

Also, I think the reason that RDM silence didn't get nerfed is that because it's a spell whereas SNocturne is an ability (allowing for quick follow up burst from the BRD, whereas RDM has to wait for GCD: which is actually a huge impact because you're basically shaving some of that silence duration off, giving ppl time to react).