Make old raid gear purchasable with poetics

gotta work for those glamz. if you want it, put in the effort.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

2.) Making it available for poetics is a working, but lazy approach and simply kills any and all reason for people to engage with old content beyond very specifically teying to clear it for the challenge. This would drastically lessen the shelf life.

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Not saying Poetics is the move here, but the shelf life on this content is already dead. If you are putting up an old savage of anything outside of the final fight of that tier (for the mount), it takes literal hours to get even a party of 3-4 for most old fights. I remember trying to get e6s glam or glam from like e2s and it taking hours just to get a party of 4-5 lmao.

In short, adding poetics to glam items doesn't kill the shelf life of the content. People do the final tier fights for ulti unlocks and/or the mount and thats it.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

2.) Making it available for poetics is a working, but lazy approach and simply kills any and all reason for people to engage with old content beyond very specifically teying to clear it for the challenge. This would drastically lessen the shelf life.

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What even is the shelf life of an old raid? I would say that old raids die as soon as the next one comes out for more than 98 or even 99% of the games playerbase, outside of unlocking the associated ultimate. One could even argue that making the old raids soloable would get more people doing old raids than there currently are. I remember in SHB going back and learning to solo cruise chaser blind, it was a lot of fun. There is also a very high probability that getting people to go back and solo old raids would drum up even more interest in the old content than there currently is, thus extending its "shelf life".

On poetics, I think making old items purchasable is a great idea and extends beyond just helping the players who want old glamour. If you make old gear available to be bought with poetics then you could also remove the old items that were originally used to purchase that gear, ie the book equivalents. These old items could even be deleted from the game freeing up inventory space from players which would have an, albeit small, effect on the servers as every time you open your inventory your client has to ask the server what is in there. You could take this a step further and make it so that you reuse the same item id for the books every expansion. First you would delete the items from players inventory about 1 or 2 weeks before the expansion release, giving players plenty of heads up that this will happen, while simultaneously making the books unobtainable and making the raid gear buyable with poetics. Then rename the items and reuse them for the next set of savage teirs. Doing this would cut back on a lot of the sort of "junk" items that mmos that run for a very long time end up accumulating.

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Originally Posted by Azlith

And then wait several hours for the group to get enough people to be able to do the handful of mechanics that can't be done alone only to have several people in the group actually have no idea how to do the mechanics that you need them for and if by some miracle, after waiting for hours for the group to fill, you do kill the boss you'll have that one guy that gets the items he wants and then leaves. But yeah sure sounds simple enough. Also not everyone has the time to wait around in pf all day for a group to fill that will maybe be able to kill the boss.

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You will only encounter this problem with maybe the last two raid tiers in historical order. Eventually and with enough ilevel everything becomes completely braindead. Those "impossible" box strat mechanics and Hello World from O12S? Totally and easily skippable now (and have been all expansion.) Light rampant? Who's she? Getting locked into Dwayne or Basic Relativity from E12S? Haven't seen that since 6.0. The only fights that are remotely still challenging and might take a bit of time to fill are the final floors of Asphodelos and Abyssos, in which case... you can watch a guide or just wait until next expansion.

I personally like that these rewards are always exclusive to this content. I enjoy joining unsynched fights I did as raid floors in the past to help out!

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Originally Posted by Caro178

You will only encounter this problem with maybe the last two raid tiers in historical order. Eventually and with enough ilevel everything becomes completely braindead. Those "impossible" box strat mechanics and Hello World from O12S? Totally and easily skippable now (and have been all expansion.) Light rampant? Who's she? Getting locked into Dwayne or Basic Relativity from E12S? Haven't seen that since 6.0. The only fights that are remotely still challenging and might take a bit of time to fill are the final floors of Asphodelos and Abyssos, in which case... you can watch a guide or just wait until next expansion.

I personally like that these rewards are always exclusive to this content. I enjoy joining unsynched fights I did as raid floors in the past to help out!

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One of versions of my proposed idea was to have making the items purchasable behind a "clear wall". With this you would still need to clear the fight at least once but there would be no need to find groups to farm it over and over. Also as someone said just a few posts above this it can literally take hours and hours of siting in PF just to find a couple of other people to do an old fight. Not everyone will have 3+ hours to waste sitting around in PF every time they want a new piece of glam.

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Originally Posted by Azlith

One of versions of my proposed idea was to have making the items purchasable behind a "clear wall". With this you would still need to clear the fight at least once but there would be no need to find groups to farm it over and over. Also as someone said just a few posts above this it can literally take hours and hours of siting in PF just to find a couple of other people to do an old fight. Not everyone will have 3+ hours to waste sitting around in PF every time they want a new piece of glam.

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That would actually make getting them harder for newer players.



As things are now, everyone has to do the fights for glam. You change that, and anyone who has cleared them no longer has to.



I recently went into O10-12s to farm stuff for glam, it didn't take 3 hours to get parties. Took like 15 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That would actually make getting them harder for newer players.



As things are now, everyone has to do the fights for glam. You change that, and anyone who has cleared them no longer has to.

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You make a fair point with this.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I recently went into O10-12s to farm stuff for glam, it didn't take 3 hours to get parties. Took like 15 minutes.

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I just took a look through all the old expansion savage fights in PF on the Aether data center. There was one PF up which was for e12s. I asked the guy how long he had been waiting for and he said an hour (his pf had 22 mins left). My guess is that you probably got quite lucky with finding a group in 15 mins though I will be checking the pf again at prime time later today out of curiosity.

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Originally Posted by Azlith

You make a fair point with this.

I just took a look through all the old expansion savage fights in PF on the Aether data center. There was one PF up which was for e12s. I asked the guy how long he had been waiting for and he said an hour (his pf had 22 mins left). My guess is that you probably got quite lucky with finding a group in 15 mins though I will be checking the pf again at prime time later today out of curiosity.

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It's currently 8:34am on a Tuesday, pst. I'm at work. Most people are at work or school. Of course he's not filled yet lol.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It's currently 8:34am on a Tuesday, pst. I'm at work. Most people are at work or school. Of course he's not filled yet lol.

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That is why I said I would be checking again later.

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Originally Posted by Azlith

I think it would be really great if we could get the ability to purchase savage raid gear from old expansions with poetics. They could put it behind a "clear wall" where you need to clear the fight that the gear comes from once if they really must. This would be a really great QoL for people who want to get old gear for glamour or alternate gear for alt job leveling without having to try and find (and compete) with several other people who also want to farm old content that can't be solo'd. I guess another option would be to make all old content soloable. I just thought this would be a nice QoL change for the game.

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I mean come to aether, slap up a pf and wait lol. We seem to be the content DC but seriously. How much do people want this game dumbed down.