Please include Leveling PvP Gear beyond Lv.60

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Originally Posted by Squishi

Poetic Tomestones already provide this for new players and/or alt job leveling up to 80 currently. To specifically address newer players, however, they're more often than not going to be continuing story to unlock more content rather than PVP a whole lot in comparison. Of course, this doesn't account for *every* new player--its just been my general observation from asking. Knocking out daily roulettes, dungeons, even PVP all reward with poetics that allow players to buy gear that raises iLvl. There's really no strong reasoning for implementing lv.60+ gear at this point.

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Also even getting access to Wolves Den requires essentially doing a "Talk to X NPC" side quest which I think was located in your allied nation's grand company info desk area. Which has a fairly high chance of not being seen at all by a new player running along the game doing the MSQ for the first time. So they could go quite awhile without even knowing PvP even exists in the game. Nor are they likely to spam the alliance roulette for gear they've most likely already out leveled because they aren't in any real actual need for exp since they've already out leveled the cap of the current expansion they're on by at least 5 levels before clearing the story to start the next one.

I get that queue times for PvP duties that aren't CC can run pretty long at times depending on when you queue and possibly what data center you're on, but the OP's idea will do nothing to fix that either.

Now that I get what you mean more now.
I think since Gear has no real Story connection at all.
if you reach a expacs level bracket, it auto unlocks tome gear.

As someone with alts, I leveled them up to ARR50, and didn't find reason to go beyond that.

I still can't see a reason to change my mind on PvP Gearing. as we kinda need more things for that If the other benefits to pvp are from other sources.
(like a separate Combat track/BPass for ranked that levels equally with the overall if you run both on ranked. And no real locking Rewards behind being top crystal. And returning BPass, as we have way to much fn FOMO already)
but I'm getting a chunk off topic.

Some alts were almost 70/80 on a few classes(but they lost road to 70/80 long ago.) so with these changes, it could alleviate the pain alil.

Though how they measure it depends.
way too much, when trying to actually meet ilvl reqs. Like if you reach a bracket, how long do you have for that Job/Role/Class in order to gear up for Alts/New Players. is it 2k tomes, or is it 4k Tomes Before you're forced to meet the Ilvl requirement for a class that has recently reached a certain Level.
[Tome Gear already makes X3 level gear useless, and generally find all else pointless unless it's X7-X9 Level gear being kinda more worth it. before the next round of tome gear arrives.]

I get what you mean now, but I don't think PvP Leveling Gear would be the choice.
Though I get how some might use PvP to level up, you do get tomes regardless, and tome gear is what you use anyways for non-pvp content. (and I didn't bother to look too deep into it, since it seemed like it was AR Roulette that only had no ILVL Reqs til recently)

That, and always found the fact you can't purchase Tome Gear in Alt/New Characters til you finish the story an unnecessary/pointless roadblock.(and just like many progression Roadblocks. they irk me.)

so I support the idea if Unlocking TomeGear via level-and not from story, which in and of itself, requires a small update to Rowenas Girls.- (Unless they do go with ilvl synced gear like others mentioned. I'd rather not have Level restricted Glamour.)

edit: re-reading what I just typed to see if it mostly got through correctly. it would also be reason for them to finally unlock poetics. instead of a hardcap, they could just replace the softcap notification on its side to Tomes Left before needing to match ilvl for current class/expac. Whilst Current expac content would run separately of that, since it doesn't affect poetics in the slightest.

ps, also reminds me of the concept I brought up once.
that gear is all just glamour, but for the latest/current expac gear, you buy the body(aka relevant piece you chose.) and the a "license"/stats for the preferred role. that idea could go even deeper and less convoluted/taxing. but that isn't part of the thread.

Hm? Whats that? More horrendous out of place modern glams? Here ya go!

Wouldnt be opposed to bringing back leveled gear but id hate to lose potential lv1 glams.

Just make more things purchaseable with the PvP currencies, if you could buy tome stuff with wolf marks it would kinda solve the leveling gear side.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

Just make more things purchaseable with the PvP currencies, if you could buy tome stuff with wolf marks it would kinda solve the leveling gear side.

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True that it's another source.
But it'd still require the player to be past the .0 story of old expansions.

It basically needs things to be a currency that is always been accumulated, stored in such a way that the player is never at a loss/needing to farm more without being able to do much.

Which thinking more about it(which is where I diverge to overall)

Kinda makes me feel much more stronger now about Removing Story Restrictions/unlocks being mandatory/held until .0 msq completion.
And Uncapping Poetics.

Since all PvP Currencies, or any Currency that doesn't have a large hardcap, are small(and likely SE has a reasonably irksome reason for its small hardcaps)

(With uncapped poetics, it's likely reasonable to expect most players to unlock new poetic gear as soon as they reach the level. By Which I mean most duties first time rewards are around 100. Though I guess some introduction would likely need to be made.)

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But if we really want to add new level restricted glamour.(which seems a number here, really, really want it. "I'll never understand it".)

It needs the currency to purchase to increase in size/cap.
Also something needs to introduce the fact to new/alt players of the existence of said gear. Be it X0/X3-4/X6/X8 CharacterJob/Role/Class Level.

Though reiterating that it should likely, be easier to have Level Synced(like others have stated) with earnings. But such Gear would trivialize a number of Gear, including poetics.
(though thinking on it now, No to level Syncing.)

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Which goes back to keeping it simple.
Not everyone will do PvP, can't expect or force em. (which is why I prefer they make more interesting/fulfilling PvP activities, and another BPass for ranked to work along side the one that can be done in casual.)

And if the point is to help out newer/alt characters. then It goes back to something accessible. Poetics. or other easily obtainable currency. with ways to get them stored/uncapped on players hands before they run out of them when they need to reach ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I don't see what the point of this would be. There's plenty of gear out there for low levels already.

We're lucky if they add any new things to buy with PvP stuff and I'd prefer they stick to glamour.

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Not when theyre locked out of buying better stuff in areas theyve yet to unlock in the msq. The problem theyre now facing is with the recent AR roulette is that they require higher ilv gear because of their high levels and they cant access the stuff without rushing through the story.

This is just a good solution to it because itll provide them an avenue to acquire better gear and itll help with encouraging new players to pvp more.

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Originally Posted by Mecia

Hm? Whats that? More horrendous out of place modern glams? Here ya go!

Wouldnt be opposed to bringing back leveled gear but id hate to lose potential lv1 glams.

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We wont lose anything. Theyd just add level 70/80/90/100 gear and they can even just be shitty recolors of already existing sets for all I care (although I would want new looks). Nothing is stopping the devs to continue adding lv.1 gear which would just be the Trophy Crystal rewards anyway. Were talking about the almost dead Wolf Mark currency that exists in the game.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

We wont lose anything. Theyd just add level 70/80/90/100 gear and they can even just be shitty recolors of already existing sets for all I care (although I would want new looks). Nothing is stopping the devs to continue adding lv.1 gear which would just be the Trophy Crystal rewards anyway. Were talking about the almost dead Wolf Mark currency that exists in the game.

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Right, but my assumption is that leveled gear would be designed to fit the game world while lv1 is the usual garbage. Looking at what theyve released for all class glams in EW isnt exactly making me hopeful.

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Originally Posted by Mecia

Right, but my assumption is that leveled gear would be designed to fit the game world while lv1 is the usual garbage. Looking at what theyve released for all class glams in EW isnt exactly making me hopeful.

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I just feel like the opportunity to give more useful rewards is there with PvP.

In fact Im only saying this because Im currently having a friend go through the game for the first time and hes playing it daily at his own pace, getting close to finishing base ARR and lo and behold, the poor sucker is at Lv.60 at his job.

So Ive been recommending him to upgrade his gear via the lv.50/60 PvP sets as he plays through the msq and what a surprise, hes been enjoying it.

But since they stopped presenting more leveled sets, he'll soon run into the problem with queuing for Alliance roulettes because he wont have the ilv needed for it due to his level.

This is why this kind of thing matters in an MMO. Progression is king and I just want for newer players to be able to upgrade their characters naturally without having to rush through the story or having to needless cough up a bunch of gil at the MB for basic sets.

The answer is right there with PvP but the devs went backwards with only making Lv.1 glam rewards.

Imo glam gear should be Trophy Crystals while useful leveling gear should be bought with Wolf Marks. The rewards system needs to be tweaked a bit.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I just feel like the opportunity to give more useful rewards is there with PvP.

In fact Im only saying this because Im currently having a friend go through the game for the first time and hes playing it daily at his own pace, getting close to finishing base ARR and lo and behold, the poor sucker is at Lv.60 at his job.

So Ive been recommending him to upgrade his gear via the lv.50/60 PvP sets as he plays through the msq and what a surprise, hes been enjoying it.

But since they stopped presenting more leveled sets, he'll soon run into the problem with queuing for Alliance roulettes because he wont have the ilv needed for it due to his level.

This is why this kind of thing matters in an MMO. Progression is king and I just want for newer players to be able to upgrade their characters naturally without having to rush through the story or having to needless cough up a bunch of gil at the MB for basic sets.

The answer is right there with PvP but the devs went backwards with only making Lv.1 glam rewards.

Imo glam gear should be Trophy Crystals while useful leveling gear should be bought with Wolf Marks. The rewards system needs to be tweaked a bit.

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By the time he is able to access lv 60 alliance raids he will have access to lv 60 poetics gear. The alliance raids of a given expansion aren't accessible until you complete the initial MSQ of that expansion.

Him using lv 60 gear for duties below 60 result in it being synced down so he's not gaining anything from it. If anything it could be making him weaker since all effects from any materia slotted in the gear are negated when gear is synced down. The final poetics gear of the expansion will generally have better stats than the gear found in the first 2 leveling duties of the following expansion so basically it carries you though the first half of the expansions initial MSQ.

If anything IMO I think they need to strip the stats off the gear with actual level requirements and drop them to lv 1 so the PvP vendors are selling glamour and cosmetics exclusively.