Why did Asmongold stop playing FF14 if FF14 is so good with a good community?

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

All I can say is ... Parasocial is weird, and it get weirder.

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parasocial relationships are weird but it makes sense why people gravitate towards it, in a world increasingly online it was kind of inevitable

Never mind what Asmongold does. Clearly the game and community is good enough for you to stick around, so isn't that all that matters?

Quite literally, who cares? These posts are getting absurd.

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Originally Posted by OliverQ

Quite literally, who cares? These posts are getting absurd.

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there really isnt i just felt like weighing in on it tho

If anyone's grappling with this, pretend you were reading a thread titled "Why did <your name here> stop playing FF14 if FF14 is so good with a good community?" and maybe the answer will be clearer.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

parasocial relationships are weird but it makes sense why people gravitate towards it, in a world increasingly online it was kind of inevitable

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Come to think about it this behavior isn't exactly news. Obsessive fans have been a thing in the pop culture for a long time with idols and celebrities. Streamers in a way is just a new type, internet celebrity, so it's understandable they attract similar crow. The difference is, the old IRL obsessive fans had to spend the time and effort to track down, stalk, then harras their subject of affection and maybe get a restrained order sic on them. Whether just like with everything else in the internet age, they just have to log in and be obsessive from the comfort of their chair.

In this case I think it's also a double whammy for parasocial people. So they like the game, and they like these streamers, so they want the streamers to like the game too just like them, then throw a fit when it doesn't work out. Kinda remind me of people playing match maker in their own wedding. The bride/groom has this brilliant idea of playing match maker between their 2 friends with the bridemaids and groommen because they just look so good together so it'll definitely work out, right? Then things get ackward because they insist on being pushy and not taking the hint things not panning out, then destroy their own special day and of course proceed on blaming everyone else.

Eh, given the nature of a community, whether it is the best or not is just going to be anecdotal.

Communities have a wide variety of people and a wide variety of sub-communities and cultures, so really it's no more toxic, and no more better than any other community.

Given the right circumstances you could literally claim any gaming community is the best ever -- Similarly, you could make a pretty reasonable claim that any gaming community also has the worst ever. Just depends on personal experience when you're dealing with communities this large. Sometimes it just seems like people feel so invalidated if someone has a different experience or opinion.

On the note of Asmongold, personally, I chalk it up for a variety of reasons. He's a very large figure in the streaming and MMO space, so his swapping would have accrued a lot of new audiences watching who aren't entirely familiar with how he actually streams, and what he dedicates his time to when streaming, e.g., react content. Personally, I don't care, I just stopped watching outright after a certain point - But I can understand why it would probably aggravate people.

He stopped playing because he doesn't play any game for long (except WoW and he got bored of that when he discovered his audience now follows him to other games). He could barely even finish FF16 and I think he didn't do NG+. He has a massive backlog of games he's been putting off for ages. It's just how he is.

He doesn't really like gaming much. He admits he's not good at games and they just make him frustrated on stream. He prefers react content (watching youtube videos) and his audience prefers that too actually because it allows him to stop the video and say hot takes and controversial opinions every minute, which is what he's good at and makes him more popular.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

Isn't it interesting how even Asmongold had to quit? Despite this being the "best community"?

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Don't think it was even this community particularly, but his. His community like "react content". When they want him to react to something, they spam his chat endlessly. They wanted him to react to FF14 (because FF14 is basically a video spanning ARR and 4 expansions). He didn't want to play it that frequently so he had to ban a lot of people over it so that they stopped asking him to react to FF14.

Two things: first, Asmongold is an arse and a clout chaser, FFXIV was "hot" during COVID, then he moved onto the next hot thing, LA.
Second, the community itself isn't overly hostile but it isn't the bastion of good vibes. We just have a lot of "UwU OmO" people in Cities using Yell, and also lots of LGBTQ+ presence, which gives the impression that it's a very tolerant place when in reality said groups are mostly concentrated in specific Worlds.

Try initiating a random conversation anywhere, odds are you'll be ignored, most conversations are either between FC cliques, or taking about/complaining about the game or current duty. Sure, your won't be told to KYS, and for some that's enough nowadays to consider this a friendly community.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

He stopped playing because he doesn't play any game for long (except WoW and he got bored of that when he discovered his audience now follows him to other games). He could barely even finish FF16 and I think he didn't do NG+. He has a massive backlog of games he's been putting off for ages. It's just how he is.

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Originally Posted by Aldath

Two things: first, Asmongold is an arse and a clout chaser, FFXIV was "hot" during COVID, then he moved onto the next hot thing, LA.

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You know, I think both the group who thought their favorite streamer betrayed them for stop playing, and the group who thought they stop playing because of the community - assuming they're being genuie (although I think the latter is just trolls) - are just ... naive.


I watched a few of these "ex-WoW" streamers compared FF14 to WoW around 2 years ago and it was ... cringe. Like, I life FF14, but the praise and comparison these streamers had for the game back then was so out of proportion that I was like "ok, FF14 is good but it's not THAT good." So it became obvious to me fairly early that it wouldn't last. One, it definitely felt more like the "next hot thing" moment. But secondly, and more importantly, I felt these streamers were just borrowing FF14 and its community as a beating stick and outlet for their dissatisfaction with WoW. In short and bluntly: FF14 and the more gullible portion of its community was used, as simple as that.


It's like someone who got into a fight with their partner, then decided to pick you as a new date. And while they may praise you to high heaven how much more special and better you are comparing to their old date ... the reality is you're just a convenience and temporary subtitle with the sole purpose of making their original partner jealous. Now, if you have good head on your shoulder, you just accept it as a temporary thing as enjoy it while it last. But anyone who think that would amount to any kind of long term relationship then ... naive, too naive.

Edit: 'cause I just remember the stuffs from other thread. I should add a 3rd group into this naive narrative, it's the people who thought FF14 can keep the majority of WoW refugee by appealing to them. You're like that destined fling who believe they make person forget their old fire and stay with you. That ... most likely not gonna happen.



Like I said, I never thought FF14 were as good as MOST of these streamers claimed 2 years ago. But 2 years later, I'm still here while most of them already gone.