Housing Scarcity is manufactured

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Scarce?

A quick personal visit to Lamia reveals no less than SEVENTY FIVE empty plots in the Goblet alone. A mix of large, medium and small.

"If housing was actually very easy to get"

It is. Its just not in one of the "fashionable districts".

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Just because some less popular servers have 50+ (still 10x more than popular JP servers) plots available doesn't mean that all servers have. In Light DC for example, old servers have 14, 6, 14, 5, 70 and 9 private plots (only outlier is Twintania, which isn't one of the new recent servers, but it is certainly memed as dead server). Keep in mind that recently 6 more wards opened and they're already filled. Also look at scarcity in EU/NA vs JP. Even Tonberrry, which is one of the most popular servers, has 564 free private plots. So if you're in NA/EU, you need to server transfer to have some realistic chance to get even small in Goblet.

"non-fashionable districts" is fair argument, why would I want to live in the middle of rocky mountains, on some ugly brutalistic mega structure? People do prefer other districts, but if server becomes really filled, people will start to buy plots even in those ugly districts.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

If its so scarce, why are there empty plots? If there was so much demand, those plots would be taken. I already listed empty plots on Kujata that have been there for months...so..explain?

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Super in-depth explanation: It's on JP, JP servers have average population of ~11K, EU ~19K, NA ~22K, yet we get same amount of wards.

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"non-fashionable districts" is fair argument, why would I want to live in the middle of rocky mountains, on some ugly brutalistic mega structure? People do prefer other districts, but if server becomes really filled, people will start to buy plots even in those ugly districts.

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Fair argument? No.

So, it actually isnt that there arent any houses, its that the houses are in locations people dont want? A house is a house, you can call it ugly all you like, but if you choose not to buy an available house..thats on you.

Isnt it?

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Super in-depth explanation: It's on JP, JP servers have average population of ~11K, EU ~19K, NA ~22K, yet we get same amount of wards.

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No. As I said on page one:

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A quick personal visit to Lamia reveals no less than SEVENTY FIVE empty plots in the Goblet alone. A mix of large, medium and small.

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Lamia is OPs home server on Primal DC. if they want a house, there are 75 empty plots right now to choose from.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Fair argument? No.

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People not wanting to live in a Goblet/Empyreum is fair, like it or not.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

So, it actually isnt that there arent any houses, its that the houses are in locations people dont want? A house is a house, you can call it ugly all you like, but if you choose not to buy an available house..thats on you.

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Those data I showed are not from Goblet only, it's number of every single available private house on that server. There is competition even on smalls in Goblet.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

No. As I said on page one:

Lamia is OPs home server on Primal DC. if they want a house, there are 75 empty plots right now to choose from.

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"No" for what? Do you deny different population density on EU/NA and JP servers? https://ffxivcensus.com/#realmendgame

Your strawman argument works for OP, but not for anyone living on actually populated servers, where there are frequently 10+ bidders even on the most undesirable plots. You seem to claim that everyone can just get a small in Goblet if they really wanted to, but that's just not the case.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

The demolition thing is probly the most scummy thing i can think of with ff14, i hate that they tell us to take breaks but if you have a house, you better not if you want to keep it :)

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Notice how they only talk about taking breaks or playing other games but not about unsubbing? ;)

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Originally Posted by thevanguard

OP.

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The real reason is housing was designed to be an FC content that involved FCs working together.

The only reason they opened up the wards to personal housing g is because the game has absolutely ZERO fc content and thus tons upon tons of FCs collapsed and fell apart and the wards were empty because none of those tiny small FCs that the big ones crumbled down into could afford housing.

Thus they opened up the wards to personal housing.

All the FC content we were promised (such as FCs being able to summon primals) never materialised because the game went away from groups and towards a single player game. Yet the housing was still designed around the game being an MMO.

The system was never designed for a single player game. It was designed for an MMO where players worked together in groups, guilds etc etc.

If it was all about the money, demolition would never get suspended for long periods of time across entire regions if not all regions. The number of players unable to play the game due to whatever prompts the suspension is small compared to the number of players who are still able to play yet will stop paying but still keep their house.

If it was all about the money, most furnishings would only be available through the cash shop instead of just the seasonal event items plus a handful of others.

If it was all about the money, the number of wards would scale to world population size instead of being the same across all worlds so there would be no worlds with an abundance of available plots.

I suspect there are a lot of players who misunderstand what prestige is. Prestige is respect or admiration for someone who has displayed exceptional skill/achievement. Prestige will not generate drama because of that respect or admiration.

Getting a house in this game doesn't take skill or achievement. It takes luck. It is not prestige being generated by the house ownership system. No one respects or admires a player because that player that owns a LB 11/41s or Shiro 30/60s. At best they see those players as lucky. At worst, they become jealous and that is what leads to drama.

The question that needs to be asked: it is healthy for MMOs to incorporate systems that generate drama among members of the player community?

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Notice how they only talk about taking breaks or playing other games but not about unsubbing? ;)

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Yet they can unsub for up to 6 weeks while they play other games without losing their house.

Too many people are dumb when it comes to being a consumer.

Hi Hunky :D

on topic: of course it's manufactured, there are a limited number of houses, and SE chooses how many houses there are. As for the subscription conspiracy, sure, you could argue that, but people in this thread have argued that having a limited number of good houses is a good thing, it gives them prestige. So you WANT to have scarcity (not me, but some people). So that means that you need some way of making sure that someone can't just buy a good house and keep it forever without having to sub, that could potentially take a house out of the game forever if someone never came back. The solution? demolition timers. If you sub, you keep your nice house, if you don't, you risk losing it because people that ARE subbing deserve a chance to have a good house.

This isn't rocket science people.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If it was all about the money, demolition would never get suspended for long periods of time across entire regions if not all regions. The number of players unable to play the game due to whatever prompts the suspension is small compared to the number of players who are still able to play yet will stop paying but still keep their house.

If it was all about the money, most furnishings would only be available through the cash shop instead of just the seasonal event items plus a handful of others.

If it was all about the money, the number of wards would scale to world population size instead of being the same across all worlds so there would be no worlds with an abundance of available plots.

I suspect there are a lot of players who misunderstand what prestige is. Prestige is respect or admiration for someone who has displayed exceptional skill/achievement. Prestige will not generate drama because of that respect or admiration.

Getting a house in this game doesn't take skill or achievement. It takes luck. It is not prestige being generated by the house ownership system. No one respects or admires a player because that player that owns a LB 11/41s or Shiro 30/60s. At best they see those players as lucky. At worst, they become jealous and that is what leads to drama.

The question that needs to be asked: it is healthy for MMOs to incorporate systems that generate drama among members of the player community?


Yet they can unsub for up to 6 weeks while they play other games without losing their house.

Too many people are dumb when it comes to being a consumer.

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Wow a whole 6 weeks, that means you can take a astonishing 1 month break. Amazing.

https://i.ibb.co/ByD2vpQ/111.png

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"Titanmen made this, even though he's making a good point, lets just derail his thread because its Titanmen"

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Are you really actually that surprised someone did - Seeing as he has done it countless times? LOL