Start of new PvP seasons vs major content release

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Originally Posted by Valence

The problem with the vaunted rank decay is that it literally asks people to keep investing bottomless amounts of time into ranked just to stay afloat.

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That's kind of the point. Instead of reaching rank and then stop playing cuz you don't want to risk losing rating, rank decay will keep you engaged.

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Originally Posted by Valence

In the current system you already need to play sometimes a hundred of games just to reach crystal depending on your luck and skill, and then if you continue playing you actually have more chances to drop back down to Plat just because of shit day or luck than actual decay.

I honestly have no idea how ranked would turn with such a system pulling people down all the time.

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It took me about 80 or so games in season 1. I did it in less than 50 games after the full reset in season 3. If you're actually decent you can carry yourself through the lower ranks relatively easily.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

That's kind of the point. Instead of reaching rank and then stop playing cuz you don't want to risk losing rating, rank decay will keep you engaged.

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You completely missed my point. I'm actually not sure it will keep you engaged for the aforementioned reasons:

- Past a point I'd just give up considering the ludicrous amounts of time invested.
- I am not sure how I'd feel about continuing playing once reaching crystal since it's kinda doomed either way. You either drop from decay, or you drop from natural swings up or down anyway. In any case, I do have the feeling that it would actually repel most ranked pvpers but the top 50, because for most the goal is to reach crystal as an addition to having fun. People were talking about rewards to keep playing ranked, that's one of those.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

It took me about 80 or so games in season 1. I did it in less than 50 games after the full reset in season 3. If you're actually decent you can carry yourself through the lower ranks relatively easily.

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What lower ranks? I'm not even speaking about lower ranks, I'm speaking about Plat to Crystal, which is where most of the climb lies anyway since it's 9 grouped risers to go. I had a season where it took 190 games. Another with a lot less. It's wild rng unless you're a regular top 10.

A: Natural swings are supposed to happen. That's the entire point of a ranked mode. Going through the ranks isn't some form of progression, its a RANKING. That's the biggest problem people seem to have with ranked is they don't accept that simple fact.

B: If it took you nearly 200 games to go from plat to crystal then you are definitely doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I have no idea what those mean?

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okay so there's a difference between a new season and a new series pass, one is just meaningless while the other one is basically where the goodies are, such as glams and mounts... so series pass or new season as in rank reset?

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Originally Posted by Ransu

A: Natural swings are supposed to happen. That's the entire point of a ranked mode. Going through the ranks isn't some form of progression, its a RANKING. That's the biggest problem people seem to have with ranked is they don't accept that simple fact.

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The point is still going completely past your head. We're not speaking about a game where this is the sole thing people do all day. We're speaking about a MMO where there is much, much more content and various activities. This alone, makes the point of traditional ranking you'd find in overwatch or whatever online competitive game irrelevant for that specific case.

You probably missed the countless threads about a month ago that were all debating on what keeps MMO players motivated to play something, about rewards and whatnot. Ranking was not deemed to be a reward important enough in all of those apparently.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

B: If it took you nearly 200 games to go from plat to crystal then you are definitely doing something wrong.

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Okay boomer. What name are you playing under, I can't seem to find you on any rankings? Or which seasons on Aether? Because I'm heavily suspecting we're just not playing under the same kind of environment and circumstances at all. If you have in mind all seasons before the current one on Aether where the crystal pool starts at rank 900 or in the thousands, then just lol. I think I reached crystal the first seasons under 30 or 50 games too yeah. Not exactly hard with such huge player pools.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

okay so there's a difference between a new season and a new series pass, one is just meaningless while the other one is basically where the goodies are, such as glams and mounts... so series pass or new season as in rank reset?

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Why are people calling a series a pass?

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Originally Posted by Valence

Okay boomer. What name are you playing under, I can't seem to find you on any rankings? Or which seasons on Aether? Because I'm heavily suspecting we're just not playing under the same kind of environment and circumstances at all. If you have in mind all seasons before the current one on Aether where the crystal pool starts at rank 900 or in the thousands, then just lol. I think I reached crystal the first seasons under 30 or 50 games too yeah. Not exactly hard with such huge player pools.

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Well, considering in season 1 the top 100 was in the 4k score range and my best crystal score was only 2200... you're not gonna see my name anywhere in the rankings list since they only show the top 100 and ranked is sadly so dead now that there's barely 30 people in the current top 100 on aether. I've sadly given up on ranked after season 3 and don't even try to queue anymore because every time I try to play ranked the queue times are over 30 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Why are people calling a series a pass?

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Okay, you're just trolling lmao

I don't really think that's a metric you can or should use when everything, but your own play is RNG and you would have to review several matches to see if Valence is playing well or just getting bad luck.

I don't think that's trolling Towa. I think your off topic. The thread was about moving the rated season time to a lesser patch schedule. This doesn't really effect the series except every other season when it drops though it's pretty much just filler activity or just happens for most people on this forum(I would guess). So why does it matter?

Mr. Happy called it and here it is. The too many S names confusion.

I'm genuinely puzzled by the term. I haven't watched a mr happy video in years, so you'll excuse me if I am not familiar with all his vocabulary...

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Well, considering in season 1 the top 100 was in the 4k score range and my best crystal score was only 2200... you're not gonna see my name anywhere in the rankings list since they only show the top 100 and ranked is sadly so dead now that there's barely 30 people in the current top 100 on aether. I've sadly given up on ranked after season 3 and don't even try to queue anymore because every time I try to play ranked the queue times are over 30 minutes.

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Yeah, thanks for making my point. We're just not playing in the same kind of environment. There is an unbridgeable gap between a large pool of players in diam/crystal and a low one like it's been the case on my datacenter since Season 3. Generally if you get to crystal here you're already top 100 or top 60-75 depending on the season (odd or even). I too reached 1k + crystal rating on the first seasons and it didn't take that much time. Granted, this was also before they changed the system and allowed dropping from crystal.

You also say yourself that you stopped after S3, which is where pvp numbers dwindled in ranked, and people got better at it as well, at least at that level. You're judging from an outdated, and extremely misinformed point of view, and from a richer environment in player amounts.


Edit: but yeah, I'm not even sure why we're having this discussion, the OP was about spreading pvp ranked seasons to lower patch activity so that not all the big content gets out at once..