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I'm for fairies glam. There are a lot of way it could be implemented, most not as bad as "oh yeah that mount can fly because reasons" (others glams request : anima spirit, elementals/ancient familiars)

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Much as I'd love a Feo Ul summon...Seraph as the "true" Lily actually makes a lot of sense. You also summon HER for SCH's L3 LB.

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LB3 and Seraph are the one that don't makes sense.
All abilities are 'fey' themed, then for some reason it turns 'angelic' with seraph, which is the theme of Amdapor, not Nim.

For the link between pixies and fairies, probably not really related.
Doing ShB as a SCH there is no "bonus" interaction (RPR get a bit in EW)
If they are being summoned from a shard, it's probably not the 1st ; also as said fairies qualify as Fey while pixie do as Fae (but races names change in the first so maybe another shard or even somewhere on the source).

It'll make no sense, it'll be stupid, it'll be spoilers and there's so many reasons why it shouldn't work... but as a Feo Ul lover, I now know I want it.

The lore is not concrete, it can be changed. They could make it so that Pixies (or all Fae on the first) are the original form of the "Fairy". When they die (again?) or shed living material, that material has a chance to become an aetherical being. These beings could then be what we know to be as the scholar's fairy. Since we only have the First as an example, we can assume that the Source also had a "King of the Fairies" and since the control/image of the king is so ingrained into the fae, they take that image when reconstructed, or at least something in a similar form (the fairy), similar to how primals are based on the twelve and have those distinctions but aren't exact. The higher concentration of aether the closer to the original (which explains how Feo can make smaller versions of herself). That way, we could have it fit in with the lore on how we could possibly get Titania/Feo UI and it would explain as to what the Fae on our world are. They could also take it a step further by having the scholars of old not even know what the origin of the fairies were, but by chance found them in the state they are now. The fae on our world could have been wiped out due to several possibilities allowing only the aether to remain, the aether then constructing some of those fae (fae essences(?)) into fairies.

Etymology from the fandom for Fairy:
A fairy is a type of mythical being or legendary creature, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural, or preternatural.

Aether on death:
Aether is released from the body upon death and it disappears from the physical realm to mingle back into the aetherical sea from which all life begins. Only so much of it can cross over at a time, and any excess remains to form a glowing mist, crystals, or even ghostly apparitions. As aether is akin to soul energy, more violent and dramatic deaths tend to yield more excess aether.

The form would construct from the spirit (or matter) of the fae and become a fairy, and since fairies gives off that apparition-feeling, it fits.

Let's study some Lore (correct me if I'm wrong on some of these, it's been a while)

Start with Arcanist's Carbuncle :
-Is an aetheric construct
-Derive from an ancient concept
-Can manifest it's own personality (Ruby, Tataru's)
-personality seems consistent for a caster ; the cause may be aether, dynamis or another "variable"

Now Summoner :
-Imbuing Carbuncle's magical formula with a primal aether create an Egi
-Comes from Allag ; does not include it's own summon (unless you count demi-baha)
-Phoenix doesn't makes a lot of sense lore-wise (we know it derive from an ancient concept, but it's appearance as a primal when/how it did probably involved an external interference (like an ancient bird-like fiery goddess ?) Relative to Summoner, at best you could go for "osmosis with bahamut" but that's a stretch

And Scholar :
-Allow you to summon Lily ; comes with it's personality and memories
-Comes from Nim where it was used in the same way we do. No information on a base concept for now.

Some additional lore that may be useful :
-Most familiars seems sentient with memories/personality
-The only familiars we know persists without their caster seems to be material ones (Cait, Gigi, Meteion)
-WoL already created one familiar : Anima's spirit
-Soul crystals can retain their owners skills and sometime memories

So I'll propose the following :
-Lily is not a living being, but the exact magical formula for a construct stored in crystal by the previous owner. maybe so she could persist as she had no material form
-WoL can temper the said formula (Eos/Selene form)
-It is possible one of those form is actually the "original" while the other use WoL "variables"
-Therefore, WoL could imbue the fairy formula with Titania's aether
-Since Feo can already travel to the source, It could be even easier for her if WoL had a vessel already imbued with her aether
-She could also alter the construct to leave it with bits of her memories/personality along Lily's

Unless I made a mistake, it would be consistent with the known lore and allow for more possibilities in the future.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...30#post6067230

I would love a Feo/Titania fairy!

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Originally Posted by Calysto

So I'll propose the following :
-Lily is not a living being, but the exact formula stored in crystal by the previous owner. maybe so she could persist as she had no material form

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Note that I'm personally fine with Feo Ul being a form that SCH can summon, but I have an issue with the above.

In SCH lore, it's said that the Faeries were "bound" (the word used) to the SCH Job Stones. It doesn't saying their formula was discovered or inscribed, it says they were bound. Generally speaking, binding something requires that something to be pre/independently-existing. That is, there must be a thing to be bound.

This HIGHLY implies that Lily (her name) and all the other Faeries (like Lilac, the one from Setoto's father) were as well. It's more probable (since the SCH's didn't SEEM particularly evil) that this was less an involuntary capturing and more of a pact forming, that from then on connected the individual Faerie with an individual SCH Job Stone. The actual Faerie player SCH's summon is named Lily, with Eos and Selene being two sides of her personality (since she did have pretty bad amnesia when we found her), but she's one being. And for the record, Eos seems to be her preferred/actual form (it's the one she uses in all cutscenes she's in with us)

So a lore reasoning would more be if Feo Ul and Lily were to agree to merging their powers to help their WoL and agree to "share" a pact with you. (/Rand Al Thor intensifies)

It seems very unlikely that Lily ISN'T a living being (in some form), or that she's just a formula unless the lore we have is exposed at some point as being some complicated lie the SCH's of old established and perpetrated through centuries for reasons that...honestly wouldn't make any sense, as there's no "gain" for them by their enemies thinking the Faeries are formula spells rather than individual beings. Not to mention they were known to both Mhach and Amdapor, the latter of which we KNOW captured and interrogated SCHs (Setoto's father among them), and the former we can reasonably expect also did that. Meaning one or the other of them would likely have determined if it was a lie and exposed it, if it were, in fact, a lie.

I started to doubt myself but it was confirmed in a 2014 fanfest interview with Koji-Fox that the fairies are artificial constructs, in that they didn’t exist until Scholars conceptualised them.

A: To follow up on a question from the stream earlier- the taxonomy that fairies fall into. Is there an origin to how they become fairies of Scholars. Were they fairies and then bound to scholars? or did the scholars create them?

MCKF: Yes, the second one. Fairies again, while they fall under the taxonomy of elementals, they are actually beings that were created. They did not exist before. The Scholar would take the energies and elements from around them and would basically create these beings that were made of the elements.

A: Those are bound to the soul crystal then and passed from one person to the next where carbuncle is more one per person. Very cool.

I wasn’t aware of the distinction from Carbuncles, I assumed everyone just summoned the same one lol.

The fairy is still a ‘living being’ in that it (apparently) has its own consciousness, thoughts, memories etc. But there isn’t any place where real ‘fairies’ exist in nature (in terms of ones like Lily). They also seem to have been conceptualised based on Nymian folklore/mythology as opposed to modelled after pre-existing creatures. Especially considering how Seraph is more ‘angelic’ than ‘fae’. Basically, they’re artificial constructs with the ability to store memories/experiences, which is where their ‘individuality’ comes from.

In regards to ‘binding the fairies’, I think this may have simply been a more straightforward way of referring to how the Scholars took elemental aether from their environments and bound the energy to the soul crystals as a means to create the fairies. Rather than the fairies being ‘bound’ by a literal pact, it just means the energies were linked/connected to the soulstone itself (hence why the same fairy pops out of the soul stone each time). That said, there does seem an unspoken connection between the Scholar and their Fairy, which sort of is a ‘pact’

NGL I'm not seeing a whole lot of reasoning why we can't summon Feo Ul, and a whole lot of reasoning why we could if SE stop being cowards

Soo...

Carbuncle is a step in the right direction I guess ?

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Originally Posted by Calysto

Soo...

Carbuncle is a step in the right direction I guess ?

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At least it would do more than SMN's Carbuncle.