Can we cut the ward system and finally go for instanced

Instanced hiding would allow (hopefully) the ability to choose the scenery, La Noscea, Kugane, Sharlyan or Radz-at-Han, etc. And also slow for actually functioning Windows and patios and balconies. Why is this game so... Just weird, like stop making excuses and build real things instead of strange half-fixes like fake windows.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

I am not 100% against instanced wards...

However I would limit their function.
1 - No more then 8 people in a instance (or some similar smallish number) to prevent a horde of venues in the instance servers. If folks want venues have them put in the effort to get a house in the ward. Naturally if its a FC house then anyone in the FC does not count toward this limit.
2 - No workshops in instanced housing (For obvious reasons)
3 - One instanced home per world per service account - just like a private home in the wards already; but this applies to FC's as well so that folks do not create a geometrically growing flood of such homes.
4 - No instanced home if you already own a home in a ward of the same type on your account. So if you own a private already; no private instanced home. If you own a FC home; no FC instanced home.
5 - Allow instanced home layouts to be "saved" so that the player can move it to a ward home easily later with the "do you wish to transfer the interior of your home to this home?" or if we are going big....just save the info just like we do with character appearances.
6 - Tax instanced homes monthly to ensure people are buying them and using them. I would ALSO tax ward homes at a even greater rate; given that Ward homes would be generally intended for larger scale public consumption and able to generate revenue.

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At that point people wont even want the instanced housing because you make them feel like second class citizens.

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Originally Posted by Raim

At that point people wont even want the instanced housing because you make them feel like second class citizens.

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The alternative is to make ward people 2nd class citizens; and given that securing ward housing IS more difficult to acquire it would not make sense to just give everyone the best. the result would be everyone would touch it for a week and then just clutter up the system.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

The alternative is to make ward people 2nd class citizens; and given that securing ward housing IS more difficult to acquire it would not make sense to just give everyone the best. the result would be everyone would touch it for a week and then just clutter up the system.

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Your mindset is horribly warped for this almost as if stating 'I dont want peasants to have houses'.
As a paying customer, I can not take part in something ive been trying to do for the last year. Instanced housing you'd probably find to use up less space than the current housing system.

If this was incorporated into the Island system, this could also work really well, a system already in place with enough for every single player without being gated by a lotto system. Increase the gil price to build on the land (and please people stop saying you will pay more money for it, you're already paying for it with your sub!) There is no excuse to not do this, other than the standing wall of 'sense of community' that keeps getting shilled out, I do admit the only wards that benefit from a sense of community are the FC wards due to some FC's hanging out at the FC house. However private housing in a community sense, is as dead as a zombie mauled by a bear smashed with a steamroller and a slab of concrete dropped on its head.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

The alternative is to make ward people 2nd class citizens; and given that securing ward housing IS more difficult to acquire it would not make sense to just give everyone the best. the result would be everyone would touch it for a week and then just clutter up the system.

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Why does anyone need to feel like a second class citizen? Instanced housing would take nothing away from the ward housing owners, just give equal access to housing for those not lucky enough to win the lotto.

I’m not in favor of a tax for either system. If someone gets an instanced home and winds up not using it, where’s the harm there? If it’s not is use, it’s not putting any strain on the server, nor is it denying anyone else a chance to use housing, unlike unused ward homes that collect dust while others go without.

And the nice thing about instanced, is that it would be easily possible to let everyone have their dream plot. Everyone gets what they want, without taking anything away from anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Krakksie

Your mindset is horribly warped for this almost as if stating 'I dont want peasants to have houses'.
As a paying customer, I can not take part in something ive been trying to do for the last year. Instanced housing you'd probably find to use up less space than the current housing system.

If this was incorporated into the Island system, this could also work really well, a system already in place with enough for every single player without being gated by a lotto system. Increase the gil price to build on the land (and please people stop saying you will pay more money for it, you're already paying for it with your sub!) There is no excuse to not do this, other than the standing wall of 'sense of community' that keeps getting shilled out, I do admit the only wards that benefit from a sense of community are the FC wards due to some FC's hanging out at the FC house. However private housing in a community sense, is as dead as a zombie mauled by a bear smashed with a steamroller and a slab of concrete dropped on its head.

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You misread my intentions I think.

The logic is that there is a technical issue with instanced housing and the old saying "Anything given has no value". This includes accomplishments. When housing was introduced the average person could not afford even a small. As resources of players increased; the bar to enter housing did not and this resulted in everyone entering the system; while those ahead of the median income were able to dominate the market which created the original issue of housing resellers; it was literally the rich getting richer.

Contrary to popular belief of people who do not seem to have homes; but are somehow aware of how the day to day of home ownership goes - community is a thing which wards help to promote.

Instanced housing removes the effort to achieve getting a house which is now sadly a matter of perseverance; which I know might seem to be a dirty word in the era of instant gratification.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-gratification

Basically covers why if everyone was sitting in a Shiro 30/Mists 5; they would leave the game before long as was once outlined in incredibles - when everyone is special then no one is. The point of a large then ceases to matter and they might as well at that point do away with housing sizes all together and simple say "Here is a plot - you got 400 items; go"

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

Why does anyone need to feel like a second class citizen? Instanced housing would take nothing away from the ward housing owners, just give equal access to housing for those not lucky enough to win the lotto.

I’m not in favor of a tax for either system. If someone gets an instanced home and winds up not using it, where’s the harm there? If it’s not is use, it’s not putting any strain on the server, nor is it denying anyone else a chance to use housing, unlike unused ward homes that collect dust while others go without.

And the nice thing about instanced, is that it would be easily possible to let everyone have their dream plot. Everyone gets what they want, without taking anything away from anyone else.

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To address the underlined - because the instanced system would require zero effort to achieve the penultimate goal of those who are competing for housing. it diminishes the accomplishments of others by handing it over.
The Bold point is actually not true; for it to be accessible and able to be queried it needs to exist; even if not loaded at the time. This is the crux of the problem with island sanctuary at the moment and why it becomes unable to be accessed sometimes because if there are a lot of people using it. The reason island sanctuary is somewhat viable is because there are actually VERY little variables involved in one. They all are essentially identical except for which of the 3 options people put in the "slots" - housing is exponentially larger with its variables. I have not dug too much into the tech of IS however but seems to me like essentially having a bunch of IS's where people are just phased to not see each other or their minions/pets/crops would essentially be the same as each having their own.

Finally with instanced - its just instant gratification. I see my struggle to relo to a med like any other challenge - I will earn it through the means provided. Its like; why can't we just do ultimates unsynced? Some folks would love the special plates/titles/weapon skins?

I guess I don’t see what the “accomplishment” is that’s being diminished… the luck of being in the right place at the right time, pre-lotto? Been there, done that, instanced takes nothing away from that. The accomplishment of winning an RNG-based lottery? Either situation was luck, no matter how much perseverance was behind it in the end.

At any rate, housing is a game feature, not something special that’s supposed to be reserved for the lucky few. You use the example of Ultimates, but those rewards are something earned by skill, not random chance, so of course they shouldn’t be given away. By the same token though, you aren’t locked out from participating in an Ultimate by having a random number choose whether or not you can run it.

To me it’s just comparing apples and oranges… are housing and Ultimate rewards both hard to obtain? Sure. But one is based on luck and the other is based on effort & skill. It’s not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by PaalHenrik

Time for a new soap box.

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0.1 cents have been deposited into your sub farming account!

Imagine if they just let you put a house and outdoor decorations on that worthless fucking island Tataru gave us to manage her Mamet slaves