Something doesn't make sense about the recent un-genderlocking.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

You have my attention...

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Renalt would absolutely rock it, just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

it's already been explained repeatedly in this very post... the twins have the same body... and head. Their gear is a non-issue

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That wasn't the point of this topic. It's still Alphinaud's outfit. We don't know how things will proceed because we don't have either of Alisaie's outfits yet, so only time will tell.

Additionally, this would mean Zero's outfit should be unisex as well given the model she uses.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Unisex as in the outfit itself sold on the cash shop fits both genders. Also, the twins have virtually the same body. I'm not saying any other character wears it, just that Alphinaud and Alisae have very simple, easily adjusted body shapes that are almost identical to begin with. The answer here is probably as easy as: the twins' unique Elezen teen body is easier to work with than something like Lyse's custom red dress (which already looks a bit funky and stretched if your character has larger breasts than it was intended to accommodate.) Even with a lot of tweaking it's probably close to impossible to make it look passable on a Hrothgar or male Roe, for example.

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That's the very issue That's being brought into question. Why are the male outfit unisex, but not any female ones. As mentioned prior with the job gear for Thancred, Urianger, and Alphinaud. Why couldn't Y'shtola or Alisaie's new outfit been job gear as well.

Alphinaud's HW attire is the only unique outfit that is available for both genders, so it feels odd. However, we won't know for certain how this plays out exactly until one of Alisaie's outfits possibly becomes available. That's why I made that suggestion. If her outfits are unisex as well then is "okay", since as people stated they share a model. But if her outfit is genderlocked, then that just adds to the issue.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

That wasn't the point of this topic. It's still Alphinaud's outfit. We don't know how things will proceed because we don't have either of Alisaie's outfits yet, so only time will tell.

Additionally, this would mean Zero's outfit should be unisex as well given the model she uses.


That's the very issue That's being brought into question. Why are the male outfit unisex, but not any female ones. As mentioned prior with the job gear for Thancred, Urianger, and Alphinaud. Why couldn't Y'shtola or Alisaie's new outfit been job gear as well.

Alphinaud's HW attire is the only unique outfit that is available for both genders, so it feels odd. However, we won't know for certain how this plays out exactly until one of Alisaie's outfits possibly becomes available. That's why I made that suggestion. If her outfits are unisex as well then is "okay", since as people stated they share a model. But if her outfit is genderlocked, then that just adds to the issue.

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Which is why I already said Alphinaud's Heavensward outfit is the singular exception, NOT the rule. I could give you a list of male NPC outfits that are just as genderlocked as Y'shtola's and Lyse's, but you seem to be ignoring this fact for some reason. They don't make male outfits work for females - they made ONE male outfit work for females because it was made for a simple model that doesn't provide the complications of some of the other outfits.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Which is why I already said Alphinaud's Heavensward outfit is the singular exception, NOT the rule. I could give you a list of male NPC outfits that are just as genderlocked as Y'shtola's and Lyse's, but you seem to be ignoring this fact for some reason. They don't make male outfits work for females - they made ONE male outfit work for females because it was made for a simple model that doesn't provide the complications of some of the other outfits.

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I think you missed my point.

I have to agree that while Graha does have a male-only unique outfit, which those are typically only reserved for female scions, the mogstation version is 100% going to be gender unlocked or there will be plenty of people who play female characters on here asking to get it too. This cosplay integrity stuff only seems to apply to certain things when they want it to.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I have to agree that while Graha does have a male-only unique outfit, which those are typically only reserved for female scions, the mogstation version is 100% going to be gender unlocked or there will be plenty of people who play female characters on here asking to get it too. This cosplay integrity stuff only seems to apply to certain things when they want it to.

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They have never unlocked a male only NPC version. See Aymeric. Unique gear set, unable to be worn by female characters, but haircut is unisex. So someone playing a female character would have to store useless gear to them if they wanted the hairstyle.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They have never unlocked a male only NPC version. See Aymeric. Unique gear set, unable to be worn by female characters, but haircut is unisex. So someone playing a female character would have to store useless gear to them if they wanted the hairstyle.

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Isn't it odd though that the Aymeric hair isn't locked, but it comes with the purchase of an item that is. Sometimes these decisions are really baffling.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They have never unlocked a male only NPC version. See Aymeric. Unique gear set, unable to be worn by female characters, but haircut is unisex. So someone playing a female character would have to store useless gear to them if they wanted the hairstyle.

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They have, the alphinaud outfit is unlocked.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

They have, the alphinaud outfit is unlocked.

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But was not previously locked and acquirable at the same time. They have never unlocked one after it went on the store.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

They have, the alphinaud outfit is unlocked.

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That's the thing though - it was never locked in the firstplace, so it was never unlocked. A very key distinction here. Square has never unlocked any NPC outfit that was previous locked at all. Any that work for both genders were released that way at the start.

That being said, as others have said, Alphinaud's outfit was easy to release on both sexes because of the fact that in the game-data pre-SHB, Alphinaud & Alisae in ARR & HW shared a unique body type, due to the fact they are young Elezens. This body is basically a scaled down male Hyur body, making it extremely easy to port over to female bodies due to the fact they just had to scale it back up using female Hyur proportions. It's made even easier by the fact the outfit's bulkiness hides any gender characteristics. Literally a 5min job in any 3D modeling software.

Contrast an outfit like Lyse's, which not only would require a complete re-shape of the chest area, but would also require multiple edits to several aspects of the outfit itself in order for it to fit the slimmer male body types, then require a 2nd round of editing in order for it to even work for Hroth/Roe due to their unique body type. That's also part of the reason you see so many male -> female unlocks on general gear but not vice versa. Every female race in the game shares a single body type that just has different scaling values apply to it. Meanwhile on the male side, Miqo'te, Hyur, Elezen and sometimes Au Ra share the same body type, but Hroth, Roe & the other sometimes Au Ra have unique body types that require custom editing to models to fit. Thus a male outfit only requires a single round of 3D edits in order to fit all female races, but a female outfit might sometimes require 3 rounds of edits to fit all males.

Also a key point - ever since SHB, Alisae & Alphinaud de-coupled their body type from each other in the data, meaning Alisae's newer outfits would fall under the same issues that something like Lyse's does - it wouldn't be a simple scalar job, it would require actual editing to the model itself.