Open Discussion about 6.3 Balance Changes (if anyone cares)

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Originally Posted by Garten

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

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Yes it's worst since it's gotten a nerf. What's your point about it?

You keep dodging the fact that we're telling you the job still performs more than just fine, and according to you, it doesn't. Which is fine, you're entitled to your opinion, although I have yet to read any rational argument about it.

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Originally Posted by Garten

Main ninja here. even if somebody will say it's not a big deal, i feel that 5 seconds to my shukuchi.. IT IS a big deal.
Pls stop nerf ninja. Aside its gimmick lb it's a support mid/high dmg class, not a superduperdmg like monk or smt.. it's more a supporter, finisher class.. now you gimped his survivability even more T_T
also death link sucks, you know it i know it everybody knows it. STOP NERFING IT

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>Play Frontlines
>Everyone and their mother have % def than CC
>Go Nin with blue/green BH.
>See X range job
>Throw 2 Shurikens
>Cast Hyosho Ranryu on their face.
>Target Already in half HP
> Use LB and start rolling the entire group/alliance alone.
>You haven't even poke anyone at melee range yet

or

>Woops I'm getting focused by 6 players at the same time
>Cast Huton
>Cast Meisui
>HAHAHAHAH IT TICKLES OMGFG
>Did the monk ult on my face for 0 damage? hahaha
>8 seconds later
>Well time to go boys.
> Cast "Shukuchi" and survive at max hp.

Lmao.

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Originally Posted by Garten

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

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not really, it feels much the same.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

>Play Frontlines
>Everyone and their mother have % def than CC
>Go Nin with blue/green BH.
>See X range job
>Throw 2 Shurikens
>Cast Hyosho Ranryu on their face.
>Target Already in half HP
> Use LB and start rolling the entire group/alliance alone.
>You haven't even poke anyone at melee range yet

or

>Woops I'm getting focused by 6 players at the same time
>Cast Huton
>Cast Meisui
>HAHAHAHAH IT TICKLES OMGFG
>Did the monk ult on my face for 0 damage? hahaha
>8 seconds later
>Well time to go boys.
> Cast "Shukuchi" and survive at max hp.

Lmao.

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you can still do that.

War buff was nice, 20% of hp cost was way too much, nice they toned that down.

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Originally Posted by Garten

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

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It's pretty much unchanged in any meaningful aspect.

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Originally Posted by Garten

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

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Objectively speaking - yes it is.

Reasonably speaking - no it isn't. The only thing that realistically changed for you is that you can't escape fights as frequently and have to be more methodical, which is hardly a problem given how many ranged moves you have as NIN. At 20s for your teleport along with access to an additional heal and a shield, you have plenty of survival options. NIN is a jack-of-all-trades, so dialing it back a bit doesn't hurt it that much.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Objectively speaking - yes it is.

Reasonably speaking - no it isn't. The only thing that realistically changed for you is that you can't escape fights as frequently and have to be more methodical, which is hardly a problem given how many ranged moves you have as NIN. At 20s for your teleport along with access to an additional heal and a shield, you have plenty of survival options. NIN is a jack-of-all-trades, so dialing it back a bit doesn't hurt it that much.

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Yes i have to admit my question was a bit without point, i think the problem is i didn't say what i really wanted to say and i apologize xD

1) First of all i found that my problem came probably from an habit point of view: so if i press shukuchi, i don't look at my bar, my mind start counting subconsciously from 15 and THINK that shukuchi is ready (but it is not anymore). but i guess i'm starting to adjust by now..
2) what i wanted to say but i expressed poorly, is that i am sad that ninja keep getting nerfed BECAUSE i think people OVERESTIMATE it. I keep seeing even in this forum, posts like: break ninja knees, and so on!
Ninja is strong, but is not OP. I see people saying that ninja has heal, has shields, have damage etc, but the point is that it can not do everything AT ONCE. Its strenghts come from nice dmg (ok) and adaptibility imho.
3) Ninja main perks comes with a "server cost": a) Shukuchi-> 90% of the time i teleport, even after the full animation i get attacked by smt and lose my hide. b) LB -> 50% of the times it does not goes off if i do not attack someone guarding or stunned, cause even if i count ONE ENTIRE MISSISIPY during animation, and after that mississipi the target heal himself, my oneshot will not go off. (and i'll do shit dmg)

So to summarize my point is: Ninja is probably a strong class, and i love it in FL cause i think it is THE ONLY one capable to countering TANKS and strong melees (wanna talk about monks shields? or drg invuln lb? and of course other ninjas) that have also a lot of DR%. BUT it is not OP IMHO, SO pls stop with nerfing it, even if the nerfs are little

edit: i replied to you but tbh this was just a general answer to everybody :)
edit2: i forgot another thing, PERSONALLY, ninja teleport is the worst cause it needs 2 steps to activates. i PERSONALLY would prefer if it was just an istant dash forward, or at least i would love if there was a macro to do it.