Problem with gearing a 2nd job let a lone more.

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

It's an MMO. The core conceit of the design is monkey brain like big numbers. It's irrelevant if the bigger numbers "matter," it's just something to do. Same with chasing achievements and stuff.

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While I did agree with some of that, I do want to put out that "achievements and stuff" last forever. Gear all becomes GC trash and turned into random minion coffers in the end. While there are titles for clearing savage and a mount or minion - these all become easily obtainable (maybe a few hours of just doing Turn 4/8/12) in the future. Whereas other achievements that have nothing to do with raiding can remain difficult/rare for years.

But that's the beauty of FFXIV - its got something for everyone. I used to just stop playing after I got my raid gear. And then I almost found it a chore to come back when there was a new major release since it was time to get new gear again. That no longer drives me. However, I'm glad it drives other players. But if all these players are going to do is grind gear and then leave, I wouldn't expect them to wrap up that "chore" in a few weeks either.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

What is obsession with gearing up so many jobs with max iLevel gear when it is all obsolete in about 7-8 months anyway? What benefit would it serve even if you had it?

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I feel like one of the core problems really is trying to be flexible if you did something as say partyfinder. I for example main melee which is a highly sought after spot in partyfinder and there is clearly no need for MORE melees. But I find healers and tanks to be lacking most of the time (and sometimes phys ranged) But it is a crawl to gear up classes that don't share gear with each other. I think most classes in this game are incredibly fun, but being literally stuck on one class for 2-3 months for a time does feel bad when one of the features of this game is that you don't need an alt and can play all 19 classes on one character.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

While I did agree with some of that, I do want to put out that "achievements and stuff" last forever. Gear all becomes GC trash and turned into random minion coffers in the end. While there are titles for clearing savage and a mount or minion - these all become easily obtainable (maybe a few hours of just doing Turn 4/8/12) in the future. Whereas other achievements that have nothing to do with raiding can remain difficult/rare for years.

But that's the beauty of FFXIV - its got something for everyone. I used to just stop playing after I got my raid gear. And then I almost found it a chore to come back when there was a new major release since it was time to get new gear again. That no longer drives me. However, I'm glad it drives other players. But if all these players are going to do is grind gear and then leave, I wouldn't expect them to wrap up that "chore" in a few weeks either.

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The solution to this problem is generally introduction of evergreen content. Unfortunately, Square-Enix puts very little effort into producing or maintaining this kind of content. PotD and HoH haven't received meaningful changes or updates in years and probably never will; Bozja and Eureka no longer receive attention because they're not level cap content; and so on.

Personally, I'd love to see more achievements for MINE clears of content. Old content will never be "as tough as it used to be!" because of power creep, but MINE still lets you have as close as possible to the authentic experience, and yet there's no real reason to do it other than for the sake of doing it. Or why not implement speedrun achievements?

There's a lot of stuff they could do with existing content, often without changing it at all, that would give a little bit more content for players to gnaw on during content lulls.

have been playing this game sence arr and always been able to gear all my jobs weapons armor and accessiories both magic healing fending striking and ranged. including crafting and gathering.

I have all 19 jobs at 90 and have no issue gearing them between updates. Its all Crit Determination and Direct Hit no matter where i look so its not like a need a gear set for every job :/ im not a savage raider or ultimate farmer but i dont have a job thats below IL 643 and im just casually rouletting and doing the occasional ex or savage i like

I wish they would make high end gear unrecyclable and untradable for gils/seals.

That way, they could have us buy gear licenses/permits with the tomestones/books, and we could go to an NPC with it that works like Tataru AF gear : if you have the permit for say savage legs of this tier that you bought for 8 books, you can get any savage leg you want for free to that NPC (hence the necessity to make them untradable)

That way, it'd take the same time as it does now to gear your main, but automatically you would be able to gear any job like your main. And you'd have to get a bit more licenses if your main job gear split between Savage / tomestones is not the same for all the jobs you want to gear (for instance, you don't need savage legs as a caster but you do on your tanks, you go get a leg permit but that's it, you already have the torso permit for instance and can take tank torso directly)