Rushing new players through dungeons shouldn't be encouraged

Dungeons aren't so bad, but yeah, every raid and trial you'll meet is just, go figure it out yourself.

But to be fair, that's how max level players learn too, when the last new raids hit, you jump in and watch what the boss does and learn from it.

It's fine if you die a couple times, as long as you try and pay attention to what killed you and learn from it!

Don't just stare at the boss cast bar, also look at what the boss is doing, many raid bosses have telltale signs of what's gonna happen if you just look at them.

And don't feel bad if you can't remember them all, if I get into an older raid or trial I often forget the mechanics too and have to relearn during the fight hehe.

But most bosses share tons of mechanics so make sure to learn what a stack marker is, to look away from the evil eye, etc etc .... if you know these, you probably know half the fight of any raid in the game.

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Originally Posted by Suicune

My first class is a white mage. Even after beating ARR, I know very few of the mechanics in dungeons because no one takes the time to explain them to me.

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As has already been said, if you feel you need an explanation then it will almost always fall on you to ask for it. A lot of new players feel the opposite, and want to solve mechanics for themselves. They get mad and yell at experienced players for explaining things without being asked first. Between that and not knowing if a first time run is an actual new player or someone running an alt you will very rarely see people offer pre-emptive explanations. Even for not-obvious mechanics where the fail state is death, many will wait until AFTER a party wipe to ask if anyone needs an explanation - just to make sure people get a chance to see things first.

Another reason people say nothing and just go is because there are players out there that will get mad about anything being explained or spoiled for them.

Am I crazy? I've been playing this game since ARR and I've never seen anything in the new player message that says "quickly", all I recall it saying is "one or more party members haven't completed this, X tomes of Y will be awarded upon completion."

Is there another message? I've never thought that there was any kind of criteria on the new player bonus that required a quick or wipeless completion, just getting the new player through the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

Am I crazy? I've been playing this game since ARR and I've never seen anything in the new player message that says "quickly", all I recall it saying is "one or more party members haven't completed this, X tomes of Y will be awarded upon completion."

Is there another message? I've never thought that there was any kind of criteria on the new player bonus that required a quick or wipeless completion, just getting the new player through the dungeon.

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I believe it says what you put but it's "a Swift Completion" and maybe that's where the OP is getting it from

It's hard to really say a quick rundown of mechanics in a duty, especially Alliance Roulette, but I can give some generalized advice to carry of off Vidu's excellent post:

If a boss suddenly jumps to another side of the room, watch your teammates: are the moving toward the boss? If they are, move with them. If they are moving away, move with them.

Dying is fine, I never get mad at a new player who has died to a mechanic, and I don't think that's the norm for others either. You might occasionally meet a jerkwad who will get mad, but they aren't the norm. If you're on the ground for an extended amount of time, watch how the fight plays out. Look to see what buffs/debuffs the boss may have, and what each cast or ability cast does as the boss uses it. Sometimes in the heat of the moment you won't see how the mechanic resolves, but having a calm moment to see it makes it make a lot of sense, I find.

If you find it easier to see when the boss is casting something by using a Focus Target bar, don't be afraid to use that, especially if you're going between a boss and healing a party member. I believe on PC it's Ctrl + F, I'm not sure if you're on a controller though, sorry! Having that bar up means you can see when a cast is happening while you don't have the boss targeted, so you aren't taken by surprise.

Zoom your camera out enough so you can see the arena clearly; having the full picture is always helpful, even moreso in the larger raids. If someone has marked themselves with the Safety Dorito (the triangle above their head), you can see it much easier if your camera is out. While a mechanic is being resolved, take a look around or what the boss is doing to understand it a bit more. I'm a very visual person, so seeing something resolve and how/why helps me a ton. There's a boss in some of the later alliance raids where you have to look at your surroundings to find the safe zone (ShB Raid 2, second to last boss with the screens, if you know you know) but once you're in the safe area, seeing how it works makes it easy to resolve every time.

Go in to some older dungeons with Duty Support/Trusts, MSQ dungeons only. While the NPCs will move where they need to be for mechanics, following them also does help in "why are we moving? Oh, I see this cast going off, and now I know it does this." If I want to figure out a mechanic more in a dungeon that I had issues with, I do that myself.

Overall, it's okay if you're still learning! You'll see a lot of these dungeons and alliance raids quite a bit and you'll start picking it up. :) Even older players struggle in new content, especially the harder content like the raids or EX/Savage/Ultimate fights. What matters is what you take out of it. You'll catch yourself resolving a mechanic and you'll go "OH! I DID IT!" soon enough.

Communication is key. At the start of the dungeon tell the others you're new and politely ask to go slow and explain things. Most people will gladly do that and if they don't you haven't lost anything by asking.
Don't be shy, most people will be helpful to new players. But you need to let them know, they can't know if you're actually a new player or the character is just an alt.

Even Veteran players mess up too, like if you can use discord for voice chat, all the better, cuz watching a video of XYZ mechanics for said boss just goes over my head like a tsunami.
So, people explaining down the mic what to do is better for me, and a ton of other players, so if you're in a FC that has a discord, don't be afraid to ask them to explain mechanics, even if you just listen to them and not talk at all.

I've been playing for the past 14-15 months, I've hit level endgame, done most of the content. There are STILL dungeons I will die to, and not even I understand the mechs behind CT, CT is weird, its from a time when they still wernt sure where to go on mechanics dungeon/raid design, and is what? 9 years old? All the MSQ dungeons have been reworked to play more consistantly, while if you run say, Wanderers Palace there are mechs in there you wont see anywhere else and are nothing like mechs in other dungeons.

The reason why we "rush" is that most of us? we've seen that dungeon a dozen times or more. we know the mechs, and the only time we really explain the mechanics is when things will really mess you up, but honestly you're not gonna start seeing stuff like that until Holminster Switch in ShB, then thats when you need to start paying attention to cast bars, and exactly WHAT the boss is doing.

Also, we get the same reward for new players regardless of time taken. Not sure why its worded like that TBH.

There are mechanics in normal content?