Healer, nice healing

As a tank I have often told healers "great healing" especially when they helped me feel totally secure despite my shitty tanking skills due to thick thumbs and miserable manual dexterity.

baiter, nice baiting

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Originally Posted by Floortank

There's not really anywhere you can overpull except Mt. Gulg. Every other dungeon the max pull is easily doable. You don't need spectacular gear to do them either, just people knowing how their cooldowns work.

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The only pull in there that's even dangerous is the gigantic one at the end, but that's what invulns are for. Pretty much every tank that isn't DRK is fully capable of keeping itself alive through the pull without heals.

Your logic makes no sense though. Basically you're saying we're not allowed to tell the tank they did a bad job but when a healer fails to heal a massive pull, people will "gang up on them". Which is it? Either you can tell someone they played poorly without fear of being reported or you can't.

In any case, I've only had like one or two encounters in my 9 years of playing where someone got upset with me when I accidentally "fluffed up" as healer and wiped the party. I've seen maybe the same number of instances of people complaining about tanks. People are generally nice.

I use it as a way of saying "wtf tank?" especially in lower duties where no one has AOE yet the tank pulls 15 mobs.

But when I use it I am genuinely grateful that we have a good healer who literally saved us from a wipe. I know it doesn't mean much, but it also earns the Healer a comm from me.

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Originally Posted by AlyaNimfa

I use it as a way of saying "wtf tank?" especially in lower duties where no one has AOE yet the tank pulls 15 mobs.

But when I use it I am genuinely grateful that we have a good healer who literally saved us from a wipe. I know it doesn't mean much, but it also earns the Healer a comm from me.

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Yeah. It is mostly in low level duties with no HOT, and a tank that refuses to slow down despite their health being eaten away at rather quickly. Then when they do slow down, they move around the corner delaying the heals even more because I now have to move to get around line of sight issues.

There is no such thing as an overpull, especially if i'm on warrior or paladin

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Originally Posted by AlyaNimfa

I use it as a way of saying "wtf tank?" especially in lower duties where no one has AOE yet the tank pulls 15 mobs.

But when I use it I am genuinely grateful that we have a good healer who literally saved us from a wipe. I know it doesn't mean much, but it also earns the Healer a comm from me.

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The tank's aoe alone makes it worth doing big pulls at that level.
When im healing and the tank is doing this i feel relieved because i dont have to spam stone on 1 mob at a time, i can just spam heal the tank and let him kill everything for us

Because telling the healer that their dmg is good will hurt the DPSes feelings.

Fun aside, just 3(?) days ago I told that random WHM I met in Troia: “Thank you for healing responsibly, I love it.” when I did roulette as a WAR. How it relishes me to see my own health shoots back up to 100% with well timed Bloodwhetting & rare for random healer to not just panic heal every little scratches I get.

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Originally Posted by Shenlao

can you actually overpull? From what I can remember most of the content puts up natural walls to limit your maximum pull and the maximum based on those limits I feel has never really overstretched the healerkit if the tank mitigates correctly.

Like just on a theoretical basis of everyone playing correctly I don't think overpulling is really a thing in ff14. If a big pull leads to a wipe you could attribute it to several other failures usually. There might be a really old arr dungeon though where those natural walls weren't baked into the gameplay yet so i guess for a very small subset of the content you might be able to overpull?

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Outside Aurum Vale first room & Mt.Gulg 5 pack pull before first boss, I couldn’t think of any other dungeon where you can overpull. Even the latter can be done; healer just need to pitch in more GCD heals & tanks probably have to kite ever so slightly to slow down those auto attacks. Did that back in ShB era, it was FUN. Nowadays it’s slightly easier but it’s also not something I’d expect random group can consistently pull off.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

You hear this so much. Well, at least I do.

Tank overpulls, and then suddenly it is "healer, nice healing"

It is nice to hear, but it also made me realize that this is more "tank, bad pulling".

If a healer is at their wit's end to get you through a mighty pull, then surely it means that the tank has overpulled, right?

I can heal through most overpulls, assuming they are manageable in normal circumstances. I fluff every so often, but it happens to the best of us.

But, surely by commending healers for getting through big pulls, it is doing a disservice to the tanks who, in the future, believe that the way they are pulling can work with lesser/new healers.

Yet. We aren't allowed to say that it was a bad pull, because of the risk of being reported. So us healers can do nothing but say "thanks", and then wait for the inevitable fluff-up with the next healer who can't heal through those mighty pulls and gets ganged up on.

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It's only an overpull if you wipe.