Earn XP when doing New Game+

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Originally Posted by Killian2987

Me for example, I have a Paly in Dawntrail but I really want to play Viper, but we all know the queue for DPS is brutal. Viper starts at 80 so you can't even play Dawntrail content yet but they expect you to just dungeon grind 10 levels, which as DPS could take a while, or use the Trust system which is even worse if you haven't already grinded the NPC's high enough.

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Trust is the system where you level up the Scions of the Seventh Dawn and they can do the dungeons with you(whether they were available as choices for said dungeons at the time or not). Yes, this takes time and effort. But you can already do any of those dungeons solo on Viper right now if you just use the Duty Support system instead. Honestly, dont sleep on the exp from the tribal quests either. Those did a great deal of heavy lifting when i still had things to level.

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Originally Posted by Killian2987

Me for example, I have a Paly in Dawntrail but I really want to play Viper, but we all know the queue for DPS is brutal. Viper starts at 80 so you can't even play Dawntrail content yet but they expect you to just dungeon grind 10 levels, which as DPS could take a while, or use the Trust system which is even worse if you haven't already grinded the NPC's high enough.

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Or you could queue for Frontlines, which is basically guaranteed 50%+ of a level per day at the minimum, on top of Viper rocking quite hard in PvP.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

Trust is the system where you level up the Scions of the Seventh Dawn and they can do the dungeons with you(whether they were available as choices for said dungeons at the time or not). Yes, this takes time and effort. But you can already do any of those dungeons solo on Viper right now if you just use the Duty Support system instead. Honestly, dont sleep on the exp from the tribal quests either. Those did a great deal of heavy lifting when i still had things to level.

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Yea I know what the trust system is, I just didn't really use it so my Scions are only level 73 so I'd already need to grind them up to my current level. I'm not saying there aren't options you can use to level up another job, I'm just saying those ways are a grind. It would be so much better if NG+ just gave Exp.

The website literally says
"Experience a new generation of MMORPG where grinding is kept to a minimum so you can enjoy more immediate results!"

This only applies to your main job, if you want to experience the story with the other 20+ other jobs, they say well just create another character and do the story again. You can only have 8 characters per world so if I want to experience the story as every job, I'd need to spread my characters across 3 worlds. This is not how FFXIV is touted, as just like every other MMO and just create a bunch of characters. It's supposed to be 1 character and you can play any job, the entire game is built on this premise of changing jobs but only really experience the story on the main job. To me, it's just makes sense to have NG+ give exp so you can experience the main story with every job on the same character.

I'm in a Free Company so let's say I want to try out a healer and experience the story, I'd have to create a whole new character so log out and do a new one. I'd then no longer be able to interact with my FC, lets say they need a tank, I can't just switch over to my tank job because I'm on a whole new character. For one, I wouldn't even know they need a tank cause I'm not on that character. Two, I'd have to log out and back in on my other character just to do that. If NG+ was working like I think just makes sense, then I would see they need a tank and be able to just change my job to my tank and help out my FC, and then just switch back to my healer and go back to my story when done.

I just think that the way that FFXIV is meant to be played is not the way they currently have it set up with NG+. FFXIV is supposed to be different than every other MMO and right now it's not really that different if you want to experience the story with other jobs. The main draw to FFXIV, at least for me, is the story and right now it's basically just enjoy it one time with your main job and then go do some other stuff to grind every other job.

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Originally Posted by Killian2987

Yea I know what the trust system is, I just didn't really use it so my Scions are only level 73 so I'd already need to grind them up to my current level.

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Ok, but you missed my actual point. Ignore the Trust system(unless you want the rewards associated with it). The Duty Support system is always available with no grinding required. You get the same teammate choices you had during the initial run, whenever and however many times you want.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

The incentive is the story. If you add rewards to any game mode it will be exploited for easy returns, and new game + isn't something that needs rewards associated with it.

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gw2 has a weekly reward of redoing stories of later expansion. l don't exactly see that being abused

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Originally Posted by Frizze

Ok, but you missed my actual point. Ignore the Trust system(unless you want the rewards associated with it). The Duty Support system is always available with no grinding required. You get the same teammate choices you had during the initial run, whenever and however many times you want.

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I get your point that there are options to level up but involve dungeon grinding mostly. My point is the biggest part of FFXIV is the story not the dungeons and you are basically restricted to experience it just once with your man job. I can’t experience the story again with a new job and level it up as I progress through it again.