Players are leaving?

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

If we don't invite the "bad" players (inexperienced ones), they will never get "good" or the level that people expect everyone to play at.

Not everything should be done with LS only and you shouldn't have to find a LS to do specific things.

We invited a new person to moogle because no one else wanted to join. They NEVER did moogle before. Took two tries to get them aquainted with moogle and we won. People have NO patience when it comes to new players

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I think you do have a point that we should at the very least try to give a chance to people (after all, how will they get experience if no one ever lets them experience the content?), but I also don't think there's nothing inherently wrong in not wanting to do content with unknown, inexperienced players.

Sometimes, I just don't feel like throwing myself at <insert content here> with a group of players that clearly have no idea about what they are doing. Some other times, I actually think it's pretty cool to see them improving a little every time and help them do it (one day in Dzmeal Darkhold was particularly cool, we tried like 5-6 times and when we finally won, it was a nice first batraal kill achievement spam on the chat window XD)

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

I think you do have a point that we should at the very least try to give a chance to people (after all, how will they get experience if no one ever lets them experience the content?), but I also don't think there's nothing inherently wrong in not wanting to do content with unknown, inexperienced players.

Sometimes, I just don't feel like throwing myself at <insert content here> with a group of players that clearly have no idea about what they are doing. Some other times, I actually think it's pretty cool to see them improving a little every time and help them do it (one day in Dzmeal Darkhold was particularly cool, we tried like 5-6 times and when we finally won, it was a nice first batraal kill achievement spam on the chat window XD)

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I mean I wouldn't do it with a full group of people that don't know what they are doing, but 2-3 people who are new wouldn't hurt. We don't even get on vent/mumble/teamspeak. We just have a person who usually does it as their specific job explain what they are supposed to do.

People shouldn't talk about Garuda as content cause no one even does it. I don't even see Garuda shouts like I still do for Moogle and Ifrit lol

I'm not finding that to be the case, at least on my server at the time I play. There are a lots of people who have returned in the last month or so. One of my LSes often takes first timers to stuff like Ifrit. The town is full of shouts of people who came back looking for a LS and people forming parties to do stuff like AF.

Last night Ul'dah sounded like Juno! Everything from helpful shouts to people joking around. It was great.

A bunch of people who disappeared to play D3 have come back :p

I've noticed alot of my friends who used to play all the time aren't on much.

Pretty much they got all classes to 50 and there's nothing left to do except grind the same fights/dungeons over and over or relevel all their DoH/DoL for achievements because the game doesn't count any of what you did previously.

I'm only still around because I only play a couple hours here and there - only 4 lvl 50 classes...

however I still see daily shouts for ifrit and I know some new people too.

On a personal note, I am not really happy with the direction they fights are taking, some groups/LSs pretty much requiring TS/Vent. I know some people who feel the same way. Its not fun, feels more like work or a job.

I haven't logged on in a couple of weeks because I'm just not attracted to the idea of repeatedly speed-running dungeons/primals trying to get some gear with a <5% drop rate. Crafting is OK I guess but a bit monotonous, and gathering is boring because the zones are so repetitious. Holding out for more interesting content/quests/things to do, or the world revamp in 2.0 at which point I'll start playing considerably more for a while.

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Originally Posted by Dutch

My friends are all leaving of the game, claiming that it is very difficult to get things
only closed groups are the best events.
Power level and boots created bad players.
This is happening with friends you too?

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This is what happens when all of your content demands 100% intense party focus. This is what happens when all of your content means you have to continually spam a dungeon over 50 times to get one piece of loot for one person. This is what happens, when random number generator and bad loot policies mandate the group makeup.

People leaving? SE should probably re-examine why, given the fact that there are several threads with an outstanding majority of players continuing to criticize terrible loot distribution methods for dungeons.

Recent friends I've talked to don't want anything to do with the game after the latest patch due to the AF weapon seal garbage. Many want to see locked content (running a dungeon once a day/week with guaranteed drops).

Simply stating "find a good linkshell," is not a solution.

They think it's hard to get things done in this game?
Have they ever even touched XI?

if a bad player joins my LS be it from just sucking to low experience, I dont blame PLing I just try to help them become better. OP I doubt your friends would have stuck around anyways it appears they have no patience for humans.

Please keep in mind that there's a tremendous difference between a "bad" player and a new player; even if the new player has been playing a while but is new to content such as dungeons and primal fights. I know of plenty of "bad" players on my server who've been playing since CE or so and will continue to be bad because they refuse to learn. On the flipside, some of the best players in my shell are still new to some content but can pick it up after one or two tries. If people actually stop and listen, and give new strategies a shot, I'll almost never call them a bad player.

I have noticed a drop off in players and it makes it hard to do anything outside of exping. Everything revolves around 8 player content and people have their 8 man groups set in place which they don't invite other people. The game seems very clickly like FFXI was people will rarly do anything outside their group they already have. Which makes it so people who do not have this kind of group of players not able to do anything.