Glamours: Re-work the entire system.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

It will propably not be possible. The point is, in WoW you cannot modify the look of the items like applying colors on them. This makes the whole thing way easier to implement. Every piece of the same gear has the same look on every character so the item exists only once in the database. You only need a simple reference between the item and the character and you are done. And it is also very easy to query this information because you only need a so called "inner join". Inner joins are very fast.

But if you start with things like dyeing then you will need extra storage for this information for every character in the game. And this is propably the reason why they limit it. I guess, the storage itself is not the problem. But querying the information (item + color) could cause performance problems if you allow all items and all colors.


Cheers

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GW2 has the same concept as WoW with saving items whenever you get them and has the ability to dye different parts of a piece of gear different colors so it can be done... I would think requirements on the system would be easier without having to store all the random information on a piece of gear vs just a checkmark on a database, but I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

GW2 has the same concept as WoW with saving items whenever you get them and has the ability to dye different parts of a piece of gear different colors so it can be done... I would think requirements on the system would be easier without having to store all the random information on a piece of gear vs just a checkmark on a database, but I don't know.

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Same with Rift.
Not only you get a piece saved in your collection as soon as you aquire it, but the "glamors" interface allows every single piece you have saved to be dyed howveer you want. Notice that the dyes are also part of the interface/system though rather than physical items.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Every piece of the same gear has the same look on every character so the item exists only once in the database. You only need a simple reference between the item and the character and you are done.

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A player will only see 1 set of items applied on you. You can change to some plates on that, but even here, its a static set. It doesnt matter how many combinations can be made, the sets are limited already the moment you leave your inn room. It does not matter how many glam items there are in your dresser, how the colors are applied (whether they use dye or not), since these things are not being saved in your plate. The plate just stores it and each client can just load that plate.

The entire problem is purely down to how things are stored in that dresser.

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Originally Posted by Jalei

You're clearly blind. Tanks running dungeons half naked, heck all jobs can be seen played half naked in some 2b/bikini so this point is invalid and its time to get off the high horse. The second Yoshi added glams like that, that argument became invalid. Unlock role restrictions in the glamour dresser. Nobody cares anymore about tanks need this, mages can't wear this.

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Oh I assure you, my eyesight is perfectly fine. Oh, and bikinis are not armour they're classed as a costume. This arguement is about unlocking armour not costumes, and yes, there is a difference (armour has stats, costumes have zero stats and are purely for glamour and are usually unlocked class wise, that's why they're costumes).

As I said, it is a design choice, namely, this is Yoshi's choice, a choice he is clearly sticking to.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Oh I assure you, my eyesight is perfectly fine. Oh, and bikinis are not armour they're classed as a costume. This arguement is about unlocking armour not costumes, and yes, there is a difference.

As I said, it is a design choice, namely, this is Yoshi's choice, a choice he is clearly sticking to.

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Ok bud lol

You clearly don't have good eye sight because nobody is talking about unlocking role restrictions in combat. Only the glamour dresser lmao. And last I checked, glams don't give stats period. So again, this entire point you're making is very invalid.

Yoshi-P has addressed in the past that he wants to do WoW's transmog style system, but they can't get it to work correctly with the engine so its been on the backburner for years.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Yoshi-P has addressed in the past that he wants to do WoW's transmog style system, but they can't get it to work correctly with the engine so its been on the backburner for years.

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yes this is true as I remember him stating this multiple times throughout the launch of the dresser system but the fact is-is that the glamour dresser system has been out for 4 years.

There is being lazy and then there is just sheer incompetence and greed. which honestly at this I think the only reason why they limit it now is because they are making money from people buying multiple retainers to store gear. I know I have a $25+ extra charge on my monthly subscription from the amount of extra retainers I use.

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Originally Posted by znushu

yes this is true as I remember him stating this multiple times throughout the launch of the dresser system but the fact is-is that the glamour dresser system has been out for 4 years.

There is being lazy and then there is just sheer incompetence and greed. which honestly at this I think the only reason why they limit it now is because they are making money from people buying multiple retainers to store gear. I know I have a $25+ extra charge on my monthly subscription from the amount of extra retainers I use.

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The most out can be is $12 a month extra.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The most out can be is $12 a month extra.

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https://i.ibb.co/mS3Rdy3/3453145-365.jpg
oh yeah nearly $30 subscription isn't that big of a deal

Fact of the matter is that FFXIV is the only major MMO I can think of that doesn't have a proper system for this. It's more or less a standard nowadays, but SE tends to constantly reinvent the wheel and do it worse than everyone else.

I don't know how they can say things like "we want to support the game for another decade" and then still not prioritize fixing issues like this one that clearly aren't sufficient now, let alone a decade from now.