6.25 to introduce Rank Demotion. Do you think this will help or hurt the overall PvP

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Originally Posted by Theodric

My main concern is that even an excellent player can be trapped in a specific tier. I enjoy PvP - as my lodestone profile will attest - but I've mostly stuck to Frontlines simply because the ranking in this game has always been questionable. Frequently I am punished for not queuing up on day one for hours on end and getting a head start. Or I'll play very well only to consistently lose because teammates are running off in all directions, we can't actually type in ranked mode to our party members and sometimes the enemy team having a healer is exactly the edge needed for them to win a battle of attrition.

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Remember though, people keep saying "You're in the tier you belong in", despite the fact that there are 4 other people on randomly chosen to play with you you can't control who might be vastly worse than you.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They seem to have a misconception about why people are having trouble winning in CC, which is, to put it bluntly, that most of the playerbase is painfully average at best, not that they're being lazy or not trying hard enough.

The actual fix to this is have some manner of skill grading and either protect you from demotion or make you get demoted faster depending on how much you're actually contributing on a match to match basis. Someone who is consistently taking the top spot for number of deaths or bottom spot for damage dealt as a DPS job probably has some serious issues they need to sort out.

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This is what Silver Hell / Casual Hell basically devolves into: (Not trying to flex but when you see a DPS with 0 damage, that's clearly a bot / boost account)

https://i.imgur.com/mLm1LrS.jpg

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Rating demolition should go all the way down to Bronze. If people are intentionally throwing games to that degree, make it something you can be reported/suspended for.

Also implement rating decay for the higher tiers when people go absolutely inactive.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

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This post needs to be shown far and wide imo. Those pics sum up why I have stopped playing CC all together. I only play frontline atm to get that dang coat. Afterwards I am unlikely to touch pvp again with the crappy matchmaking experiences.

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Originally Posted by Johners

Rating demolition should go all the way down to Bronze. If people are intentionally throwing games to that degree, make it something you can be reported/suspended for.

Also implement rating decay for the higher tiers when people go absolutely inactive.

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I think the problem is that the difference between just being bad and intentionally throwing can actually be kind of blurry sometimes.

Ranking decay should definitely be a thing to keep people from just win-trading to a high score early in the season then resting on their undeserved laurels.

We have win traders to thank for this.

Maybe some people will try a little harder.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They seem to have a misconception about why people are having trouble winning in CC, which is, to put it bluntly, that most of the playerbase is painfully average at best, not that they're being lazy or not trying hard enough.

The actual fix to this is have some manner of skill grading and either protect you from demotion or make you get demoted faster depending on how much you're actually contributing on a match to match basis. Someone who is consistently taking the top spot for number of deaths or bottom spot for damage dealt as a DPS job probably has some serious issues they need to sort out.

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SE knows, they just refuse to acknowledge that their player base is beyond saving.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They seem to have a misconception about why people are having trouble winning in CC, which is, to put it bluntly, that most of the playerbase is painfully average at best, not that they're being lazy or not trying hard enough.

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Can't really speak for PvP, but in PvE it certainly is laziness, which makes me doubt there are different people specifically in PvP that just plain suck instead of just doing what they do everywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

This is my thoughts. I think it should be capped at gold (can't demote from there)

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Erm isn't it capped at Platinium? From that slide it shows promotions for all ranks, but only shows demotions until Platinum. If it goes all the way surely they'd have arrows to reflect that, otherwise why do two demotion arrows?

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Losing Diamond or Crystal because of a bad team is gonna suck. Honestly the odds are so stacked against you that even getting to crystal is worth staying there at least for the season. You have to be someone who carries teams to an extent to get up that high. If it’s gonna be an even more toxic ranking system like overwatch then I might be done. Getting to crystal the first time was super agonizing the first time. Right now I’m stuck in diamond despite getting to diamond 1 three risers because queues suck right now and when you do get a match you have to play with people in a tier below or spam chat. With the new demotion changes high rank is gonna be even more salty.

AND WE HAVE TO START IN BRONZE AGAIN? I’m not climbing through that again.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I personally think it's a bad thing because one of the better points was the lack of Demotion as it encouraged casual people to pick up CC.

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I just play enough to unlock the glamour, I don't care about the ranks at all.