Why are old PvP season rewards still locked out?

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Originally Posted by Xoxel

In PvE, content gets nerfed, unsynched, drop rate is increased, mog event are held, etc, everything is made so people can get old content reward easily and so that the content itself is still ran. Nothing is exclusive.

Why then are PvP mount that are like 7 years old now still not made available to people? It would be a simple thing to add them to the wolf collar exchange for a very high amount of token...

Why do PvP gets to keep exclusive items but PvE players don't?

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Because PvE high-end raiding is a Challenge and you get a reward, whereas PvP Top 100 is a Competition and you earn a trophy.

You can cry FOMO all you want, if you weren't around for a competition held in 20XX competing against the best players of your datacenter in that season, you didnt earn the trophy.

You can also cry wintrading all you want, because wintrading isn't nearly as obnoxious as someone parking multiple alts on the leaderboard - I don't recall a season where 10-20% of the spots went to wintraders. Sooner blame the awful matching and scoring system.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Because PvE high-end raiding is a Challenge and you get a reward

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It isn't, if it was, only raider killing bosses synch on ilvl would be rewarded. But you still get all the EX and savage mount for headrolling at 90?

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I don't recall a season where 10-20% of the spots went to wintraders. Sooner blame the awful matching and scoring system.

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I do remember people from Chaos's pvp discord claiming there was rampant wintrading in the top 30 back in Stormblood. But it was just as short-lived, and the overall reaction to it was "meh". Especially since the top 10 were all people who actually cared and worked hard for it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Xoxel

It isn't, if it was, only raider killing bosses synch on ilvl would be rewarded. But you still get all the EX and savage mount for headrolling at 90?

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You are missing the point. A challenge by design does not imply its' difficulty, because difficulty in a PVE fight is frankly subjective. PVE by its' very design is also intended to be done whenever, you aren't competing against anyone for rewards permanently.

PVP to the core is essentially a competition. Where the line is drawn in PVP is what constitutes as a participation reward (i.e. items that you can obtain even without winning at all, basically all Wolfmark and Battle Pass items), a Challenge reward (win-based achievements) or a Trophy (Top 100 rewards).

Noone is batting an eye over casual PvPers getting cool stuff, I'm very cool with the idea - but I despise the idea of re-distributing Top 100 rewards where a significant amount of players were trying their best to be on the leaderboard, only to tell them "you had it earlier than others, isnt that good enough?" or "you still know you did great, so we good?", like as if we are going to be ok with such a cheap consolation.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

PVP to the core is essentially a competition. Where the line is drawn in PVP is what constitutes as a participation reward (i.e. items that you can obtain even without winning at all, basically all Wolfmark and Battle Pass items), a Challenge reward (win-based achievements) or a Trophy (Top 100 rewards).

Noone is batting an eye over casual PvPers getting cool stuff, I'm very cool with the idea - but I despise the idea of re-distributing Top 100 rewards where a significant amount of players were trying their best to be on the leaderboard, only to tell them "you had it earlier than others, isnt that good enough?" or "you still know you did great, so we good?", like as if we are going to be ok with such a cheap consolation.

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False, ranking was working as if you reach the necessary rank you could never get unrank, I don't call that working hard

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Boy, that Archfiend gear from the PvP season 1 ranked was really special. It would be a shame if people could just grind it out. :^)

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We're talking the top 100 from The Feast, not Season malmstones.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

We're talking the top 100 from The Feast, not Season malmstones.

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He means those 2

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I for one, freak out every time I see another player with a Gaelicap. I mean, I used my artistic skills to enter a contest and won out of all those entries. It took a lot of time to make that drawing perfect. I worked very hard on it and therefore, only those who won should have it.

Just kidding, they could release it on the mog station tomorrow and I wouldn't care.

I think if anything, having extreme exclusivity turns people off from trying. Like if you saw a cool outfit and wondered where someone got it, once you knew it was attainable, wouldn't you also want to try for it? But if you knew not only could you NOT get it, but it would NEVER be available again, you'd just think, "well that entire mode can go kick rocks, what's the point?"

In other words, it doesn't really invite participation -- which is what you want MORE of in an MMO, not less.

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Originally Posted by Xoxel

False, ranking was working as if you reach the necessary rank you could never get unrank, I don't call that working hard

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You will have to play each season again to get back to the skilltier and rating you lost and every season the road to top 100 was an open game, because peoplr actually played early in a season.

I lost my chance at the Season 18 armour and had to obtain the one from Season 19 instead. In both I gave it my absolute all to BARELY get on the leaderboard by the end of the season.

Yes, those who are in the upper 30 are usually safe, after a while. But the bottom 30 is an actual battle and you will still fight whatever upper rank is still playing in an uphill battle in skill.

But yes, please go on and discredit those who actually put in the effort to get to those positions saying it wasn't hard... gee thanks.

Considerring a lot of wintrading was being done, yes, people will discredit.

And going by your logic, sure go ahead, discredit the effort we raiders do to kill a boss taking many hours of learning and training but hey that's fine if someone can get the same thing because they have 30 more level