Better =/= Popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja
While SGE cut off all the jank of SCH's Design, it also came at the cost of having a lower skill ceiling. As terrible as Dissipation, Energy Drain and all the conflicting tools are, the skill level to play SCH effectively is higher than anything that SGE has to deal with. Then there's the fact that when push comes to shove, SCH spamming Addlo has it better than a SGE spamming E.Diagonsis because at least the Fairy is helping whereas Kardia is left gathering dust.
Sure SGE is more flashy than SCH but that's all it really is. All Flash and no substance.
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06-23-2022, 04:59 AMSilver-Strider
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06-23-2022, 05:10 AMKizuyaKatogamiIn what situation would you even want to be spamming adlo or e.diagnosis. I think the only time this tier i had to press E-prog was during p3s with the heal buff and that’s it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver-Strider
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06-23-2022, 05:13 AMRein_eon_OsborneI think they meant 'when $h!t hits the fan'-kind of situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami
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06-23-2022, 05:17 AMThorneDynasty
SGE cut off the "jank" but also added zero anything interesting. It's the most boring oGCD healing kit, and the bar wasn't high to begin with. The only thing you really need to care about is whether the encounter has one of those multi-hit attacks you should save Panhaima for... except you probably don't actually need Panhaima for those either, because every healer needs to be able to pass the heal check even if they don't have a fancy multi-hit counter, so eh.
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06-23-2022, 05:31 AMQooEr
yup i deeply regret going shield healer for DSU prog. at least with ast if we need a bit more dps in a certain phase i could be like "oh i could move a card or two around to line up better with a dps's cooldowns in this phase"
with the supposed dps healer i basically just have to press dosis harder than i already am if i want to help with a dps check. interesting and fun job design! -
06-23-2022, 06:04 AMNizziThis exactly. SGE is the WHM to SCH's AST - but that isn't a bad thing necessarily even if people think you might be trying to hate on SGE fans by saying it. As disliked as things like Energy Drain and Dissipation are by some, they give SCH way more flexibility and bend within its healing and DPS kit. It's not optimal, but SCH can theoretically have 9 stacks of Aetherflow pooled with Dissipation and Aetherflow off CD (10 if you count Recitation as one), all after exactly a minute. SGE can pool what, 4 with Rhizomata? Sure, you may never effectively need THAT much healing, but SCH can do it, and SGE can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver-Strider
Kardia is less flexible than the faerie as well; in situations where you can't DPS you aren't getting heals on SGE, but Eos/Selene will always be pumping out Embraces if she isn't dissipated or using Fey Union.
Toxicon is less flexible than Ruin II; sure Ruin II is always a DPS loss, but it's also always on demand and is less of a DPS loss than not casting anything. Past the first 3 stacks or stacks gained in downtime, Toxicon is always a loss and not available if you don't have it.
Recitation is also amazing on SCH and multi functional, does SGE has a functional equivalent that is as good as Recitation is? On top of having Expedient and Chain, SCH offers so much more than SGE on top of having more micro optimization for a player who wants to optimize something beyond pressing their 1 button more and "movement optimization" which IMO is dull and boring.
With all that being said though, I'm glad SCH wasn't lobotomized further to make SGE look more favorable in comparison. SGE is pretty but I feel nothing playing it like I do when playing SCH. Hopefully this at least encourages them to realize that there can and should be diversity in how these jobs play, and there's nothing wrong with having some jobs more complex than others in the same role. IceBlueNinja is right, more people are playing SGE than SCH casually - that should be even more of a reason to push SCH back in the direction it used to be and let SGE be the "easy/comfy/straightforward" barrier healer. -
06-23-2022, 07:33 AMKolsykol
I was excited about the concept at first, but it's really just Healer dps with an extra step for the dot.
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06-23-2022, 08:36 AMNetherealAdding onto this SCH will always be shielding higher than SGE more consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver-Strider
The only thing SGE has over SCH is that if you crit Zoe a E.Diag then it's bigger than a recitation Adlo and that Kerachole doesn't have a range after the initial cast vs Sacred Soil.
I did the math awhile ago but basically every 90 seconds a SCH is guaranteed a 1.1k potency shield on the party with Recitation spreadlo the SGE alternative is a Zoe E.Prog that shields for 480 regularly and even if it crits(1,032 potency shield) it still shields less than Recitation spreadlo due to the potency differences between a single target GCD and an AoE GCD. This single difference gives SCH a lot more value than SGE in content like DSRU.
The advantage SGE has over SCH is ease of use, healing/shielding during movement, Kerachole, Panhaima, Pneuma, and Icarus. -
06-23-2022, 09:07 AMIceBlueNinja
Seem the only thing people can brag about sch is recitation. Without that skill which is not accessible in dungeons lower than 74 makes sch shields a joke whether its crit alco or galavinaze. Even old noct ast already had better party migitation with celestial opposition and aspect helios stack (accessible at at 60) making it a joke on sch shields at stormblood and hw content. sch also like whm have no ways to restore their mana properly like sage and ast can, sage is actually awarded for using healing and getting mp back for it. Finally oh its nice to not be lock out of anything for using a clunky slow moving pixie pet. Tinkerbell must be laughing at eos and selene.
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06-23-2022, 09:23 AMfulminating
Sage being inferior doesn't mean you're not allowed to enjoy it. Just accept that it's copied homework written by someone who didn't read the assessment title.