One House Per Data Center

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Originally Posted by Shibi

How about just not making a shitty system worse? Direct your energy at asking SE for more and better housing instead of thinking up more punishment in the name of fairness. That's the one true fair path.

Edit: And to explain this further, hopefully so a few people understand better, the more we call to punish people to make housing more exclusive, the more likely SE is to mistake our calls and do just that, make housing harder to get.

Because that's what they will think we want!

Instead, put all energy into asking for better and more housing. Which gives no mixed messages to Yoshi-P that we like this exclusive, hard to get trophy housing. Make it clear we need more housing to go around - using whatever method they can do it with - but do it avoiding suggestion that make restrictions worse.

Let's move away from "we love housing extreme so much, but now let's make it harder for people so we can do Housing Ultimate!"

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Your argument falls apart after the first sentence. I totally agree that Square Enix should work to improve the housing system but unless they're willing to move away from the current ward system, they should be enforcing the one house rule for every character or FC, including retroactive application onto the existing ruleset.

The size of the player base has grown at a much faster rate than the total number of available plots even with the addition of an entirely new housing area. Combine that with legacy scenarios of individuals or FCs owning multiple plots, and there's clearly not enough for everyone. Even with retroactive application there wouldn't be enough but at least it would provide more opportunities for the newer players to land a proper housing plot (Harry Potter cupboard apartments or FC rooms don't count unless those get proper improvements as well). There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Realistically I'd like to see this:

• One personal plot per DC per game license
• One house-owning FC per DC per game license
• 30 or 60 auto demolition timer that's only skipped for the first occurance after an expansion launches
• Improvements to apartments/FC rooms so there's a second room and a balcony/greenhouse for planting onions
• Improvements to customisation options for placing objects so less/no glitching is required
• To follow on from above, a specific customisation option to remove those interior pillars on the walls

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Originally Posted by Johners

There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.[/LIST]

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But do you know that this specific "FC" you are reffering to is not only one FC and not only one Subscription? I mean before you gonna laughed at for your Strawman.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

LOL should have seen this one coming. Let's move the goal posts further. Got an apartment or an FC room? Well there's your housing, cannot own or buy a personal house or FC house. In an FC with a house? You can't even buy an FC room, your FC has a house! That should be enough.

Or... we could just ask SE to please reconsider how they go about doing player housing and design something that works for everyone and stop making it a finite resource.

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That's baby levels, what SE should be doing is one house per IP :P Alternatively, one house per real-life ID.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

That's baby levels, what SE should be doing is one house per IP :P Alternatively, one house per real-life ID.

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Plz provide logins for any other MMOs you play to show if you own housing on them. Then, 3 forms of ID, including birth certificate. Fingerprints, and wait 48 hours for a background check to be processed. *Then* you might get a house if it shows you don't own any houses on the game anywhere, and are also not a multi home owner on any other MMO.

Edit: I am kidding in case anyone actually thinks I am being serious.

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Originally Posted by Johners

Your argument falls apart after the first sentence. I totally agree that Square Enix should work to improve the housing system but unless they're willing to move away from the current ward system, they should be enforcing the one house rule for every character or FC, including retroactive application onto the existing ruleset.

The size of the player base has grown at a much faster rate than the total number of available plots even with the addition of an entirely new housing area. Combine that with legacy scenarios of individuals or FCs owning multiple plots, and there's clearly not enough for everyone. Even with retroactive application there wouldn't be enough but at least it would provide more opportunities for the newer players to land a proper housing plot (Harry Potter cupboard apartments or FC rooms don't count unless those get proper improvements as well). There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Realistically I'd like to see this:

• One personal plot per DC per game license
• One house-owning FC per DC per game license
• 30 or 60 auto demolition timer that's only skipped for the first occurance after an expansion launches
• Improvements to apartments/FC rooms so there's a second room and a balcony/greenhouse for planting onions
• Improvements to customisation options for placing objects so less/no glitching is required
• To follow on from above, a specific customisation option to remove those interior pillars on the walls

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One house per DC. Halone give me strength, you cannot possibly enforce that. Especially with FCs. Nor should they. This is ridiculous that we have players actually advocating to take away things from people who got them within the rules at the time. Energies are better spent elsewhere, because SE has said more than once that they have no intention of reversing the grandfathering decision.

I don't care how much you want this to happen. The solution isn't to take away. The solution is to increase supply, even if it's done by re-thinking how housing is done and building a new system that is all inclusive without this artificial scarcity.

Can alts still buy FC houses, regardless of how many homes they own, in any fashion, on other characters?

If yes, housing is still critically broken.

If no, then the new system seems acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Can alts still buy FC houses, regardless of how many homes they own, in any fashion, on other characters?

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As far as I know, yes, each character can own both a personal and FC house.

They really should make a limit of one personal and one FC house per data center, per account, going forward. While there are people abusing the system, it's best to not punish legitimate players who were able to get multiple plots in the past following the rules of the time.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

As far as I know, yes, each character can own both a personal and FC house.

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No alts can't buy a personal house if the main owns a personal house on a particular server. The intent was one FC and one private but FC's are being abused by abusing the leadership privilege's.

Back in 4.2 the rules changed to allow only one private house per account per server. That is working as intended. I think it's important to point out that alts still can't share a house with their main which is totally ridiculous.

there is a simple fix but it wont be popular ..

remove the current housing system and simply put a few instanced lots with a yard scattered through major cities !!

that will fix housing straight away .. no more lotto exploiting no more dark web sales no more placard grinding no more lack of server space for all these wards and everyone can buy a lot !!

also if there is a yard and a reasonable size inside there will be plenty of room to design your house using all the same indoor and outdoor furniture ohh and the workshops for fc's !!

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No alts can't by a personal house if the main owns a personal house on a particular server.

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Thank God for that.

I agree, all characters from the same account on the same data center should have full access/permissions to the house the player owns. Having to use the FC bank any time I want to send things from my crafter to the homeowner's a right pain. It would be so much nicer if I could just use him to do the decorating.