Console Players don't need Addons

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Originally Posted by DezereDawn

or, or
Or

some people have standards that the game should at the bare minimum give the same amount of information that mmos from nearly 20 years ago gave them by default

Seriously, there's no getting around it, whether or not something is possible isn't the issue, the ui not displaying info that should be readily available is. no ifs, ands, or buts about it, there's no argument in the world that can convince me that buff timers in the party list is some sacrilege of gaming, or that seeing a shield on hp other than the party list is cheating (Lol?)

I'm glad the devs are looking into implementing things like this for the sole reason that console players deserve the same QOL that PC players can currently attain via plugins, but the snark they're giving to people for daring to have higher standards than them is just irritating.

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What if

What if

They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

What if

What if

They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?

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you can get that information immediately via other methods, so that's a non argument

Please actually come up with real ones instead of peddling your garbage.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Needs vs wants.

You don't need them, but they do add certain QoL things that the devs have refused to do over the game's lifecycle. I don't use them but I understand why others do.

That's a good life lesson.

You don't have to agree with a stance, but you can attempt to understand it.

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They provide more than QoL elements to the gameplay. They can and do give distinctive advantages over console players.
A poster here already admitted to me that healers can see the mitigation and ogcd heal cooldowns of their teammates. That is one hell of an advantage if you ask me.

I am trying to understand it myself. My previous question of why would a player seeking more difficult content support and use addon tools not supported by the dev team that makes the content less so got no response.

Seems to me players care more about the credibility than the difficulty. Thoughts?

Admitting to that you cannot beat the game with the console setting of UI and the likes and so on and so forth just mean you are not able to actually do that savage og ultimate content that you do and claim to have passed on the same terms as any player in the game whom does not have the same advantage.

Clearly many forum users don't play with actual people who succeeds great time on consoles.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I am trying to understand it myself. My previous question of why would a player seeking more difficult content support and use addon tools not supported by the dev team that makes the content less so. No one gave me a response.

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That is the most baffling part. People playing high end content seem to overwhelming try to find means to trivialize said content. The likely explanation is they want the prestige of clearing it, and the rewards said content gives, without actually earning it.

But they'll never admit this, of course.

Even if it's not a need, there's so many things that would benefit literally everyone playing the game. A small QoL update like adding timers to the buffs and such displayed on the party list alone would help tremendously, for example. Things like chat bubbles would be great for RPers and people taking funny screenshots, and wouldn't bother anyone especially if there were an option to toggle them on and off. Being able to change the colors of various markers such as AOE puddles would help a lot on troublesome visual fights like P3S.

A lot of small things can go a long way. And if you don't want them, you don't have to use them. But there's always benefits to more options, accessibility, etc.

It's because PC players, are used to using other 3RD party programs, mods and addons in the games they play.

It's a feeling that propels them to act as if, they are some how entitled to their use of them, because of whatever reasons they make use of, to mask their own inability to play a game w/o them.

It's akin to, athletes using synthetic injections and steroids to have an advantage over those who don't, they require these tools to make of for what they're lacking.

Don't know your rotation? Download an Addon.
Don't know where not to stand during any given fight? Download an Addon.
Don't like not know how your DPS stacks up in the instance, while also wanting to know others stats? Download an Addon.

There is an endless cycle of Addons to take pretty much any guess work, out of any part of the game, including crafting, market board selling, economy shifting ect.

If you're not confident enough in yourself to clear certain content w/o the use of Addons, then look at yourself and how to improve, over needing 3rd party help to bridge the gap between player skill and demanding content.

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Originally Posted by Juyira

Even if it's not a need

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Thank you for agreeing with my point, your post could've stopped right here.

Also from the realm of the outside looking in, I found it really interesting that all of this came up after the release of Dragonsong. I would throw a massive chunk of change in the wager tank that the dev team put in a ton of work to ensure this content wouldn't get cleared within the first week of release.

Don't be envious just cause your betters have access to nicer toys than you.