Use of tools that allow players to more easily complete content. Discord?

Wait a moment.
Is the steam overlay a 3rd party tool?
Does that mean that steam users are inherently in danger of rules being broken?
And we still can't switch to PC to avoid this heresy?
*wheezing*

/s

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Discord does NOT fall into the category "natively" of what SE consider's a third party tool by definition.

"Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data."

Discord does not modify game files.
Discord does not analyze the game files.
Discord does not integrate with the game files.
Discord is not reverse engineering the game files.

But then again, I feel people who reference Discord with this line of reasoning are being intellectually dishonest as you know what they are referring to.

Obviously there are also people fishing for them to take a stance on Discord. And there is the obviously waiting GOTCHA moment when they do that in regards to ACT callouts and if they ban someone for that.

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Discord reads your system memory to see what games you're playing, including FFXIV. It also has an overlay that integrates with the game to show who's talking.

Pretty sure Discord technically does fall under their definition of "Third Party Tool," just that they obviously have no desire to dish out punishments for using it. It does illustrate their definition is kinda bad though. The vague definition is only for their benefit. Not ours.

I'm sorry, but you may as well throw the windows operating system in there while you are at it with this train of thought. :(

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

Discord reads your system memory to see what games you're playing, including FFXIV. It also has an overlay that integrates with the game to show who's talking.

Pretty sure Discord technically does fall under their definition of "Third Party Tool," just that they obviously have no desire to dish out punishments for using it. It does illustrate their definition is kinda bad though. The vague definition is only for their benefit. Not ours.

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Discord isn't integrating directly with the games files to provide said overlay. It is integrating with your system files. That is literally not the same thing.
Discord overlay also works with programs that are NOT video games. It doesn't even know where your installation of said video games ARE.

This argument IS part of the intellectually dishonest strawman.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Discord isn't integrating directly with the games files to provide said overlay. It is integrating with your system files. That is literally not the same thing.
Discord overlay also works with programs that are NOT video games. It doesn't even know where your installation of said video games ARE.

This argument IS part of the intellectually dishonest strawman.

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Discord was explicitly named by YoshiP himself on live letter as something that does technically violate their ToS due to the vagueness of the wording. So unless you're claiming he's intellectually dishonest too, you're just kinda wrong in this case. Yes, they will never issue an account action over it, but it's still violating ToS.

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

Discord was explicitly named by YoshiP himself on live letter as something that does technically violate their ToS due to the vagueness of the wording. So unless you're claiming he's intellectually dishonest too, you're just kinda wrong in this case.

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If I'm not mistaken, he paraphrased it as... "then we'll be asked about Discord ehhh"
Feel free to send me the video

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Discord does NOT fall into the category "natively" of what SE consider's a third party tool by definition.

"Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data."

Discord does not modify game files.
Discord does not analyze the game files.
Discord does not integrate with the game files.
Discord is not reverse engineering the game files.

But then again, I feel people who reference Discord with this line of reasoning are being intellectually dishonest as you know what they are referring to.

Obviously there are also people fishing for them to take a stance on Discord. And there is the obviously waiting GOTCHA moment when they do that in regards to ACT callouts and if they ban someone for that.

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no I follow Xenosys Vex and he said according to that statement discord was one

People need to stop being balantly obtuse. We all know what kind of programs SE means we dont need a list.

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

I'm sorry, but you may as well throw the windows operating system in there while you are at it with this train of thought. :(

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Welp, time to install Linux...oh wait someone made a thread asking if using Linux is third party lol

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Discord does NOT fall into the category "natively" of what SE consider's a third party tool by definition.

"Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data."

Discord does not modify game files.
Discord does not analyze the game files.
Discord does not integrate with the game files.
Discord is not reverse engineering the game files.

But then again, I feel people who reference Discord with this line of reasoning are being intellectually dishonest as you know what they are referring to.

Obviously there are also people fishing for them to take a stance on Discord. And there is the obviously waiting GOTCHA moment when they do that in regards to ACT callouts and if they ban someone for that.

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Is this a personal opinion, because i see nowhere where discord is clarified as a usable 3rd party tool by an official square enix representative.

People can say what they want, but until square enix fronts up and lists what is and is not a tool, then everything is considered against ToS.