Seeking clarification concerning third party tools

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

People who are concerned and mention Discord as a third-party tool that can or should get a ban are stretching, and I mean stretching an unbelievable amount.

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It's technically not stretching. When this conversation was first brought up Discord was something that was specifically mentioned that would be a third party tool.

This is pretty much where they did not want the community to be though with third party tools, is basically turning third party tools into a report war that they now have to deal with.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

It's technically not stretching. When this conversation was first brought up Discord was something that was specifically mentioned that would be a third party tool.

This is pretty much where they did not want the community to be though with third party tools, is basically turning third party tools into a report war that they now have to deal with.

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Being a third-party tool in itself is one thing. Being a third-party tool that directly interacts with, reads data, and/or modifies data are 2 entirely different things. Discord is a third-party software, but the purpose used is an entirely different 'platform' entirely.

I don't think they will ever nail the issue completely. On one hand, being vague does turn the situation into a petty report war, for numerous equally petty reasons, e.g. envy, or just general dislike and distaste for the individual. But equally, if you're specific in the matter and expand it beyond umbrella use terminology then you will have equally as petty individuals that turn around and say "Well that wasn't on the list, so why am I suspended/banned?" - Then you turn the issue into something where people do not follow the rule in principle but instead just treat their usage as a skirting checklist. Neither of which are good in reality. All they can do is be consistent with how they treat infractions, to which they aren't entirely.

Regardless of feelings though there is a stark distinction between which tools would be construed as third-party tools, yet do not mess with the game client, whereas some do, and the issues fall within the latter. Not the former, otherwise you can make some fairly petty insinuations about what would constitute as prohibited third-party.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Regardless of feelings though there is a stark distinction between which tools would be construed as third-party tools, yet do not mess with the game client, whereas some do, and the issues fall within the latter. Not the former, otherwise you can make some fairly petty insinuations about what would constitute as prohibited third-party.

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Discord has an overlay that can be displayed in games. That is one of those cases which can be a problem regarding a vague statement. Sure, you can turn that off for each game, but in larger chatboxes, knowing who is talking is a welcome feature (during my CSS times i often was in a server with over 40 people, and another server had 64 people. And both servers had the same TS channel in which they were talking - yes, teamwork talk was impossible there).

But even here a certain question can help: Can it (the program or feature) function as standalone program that is not related to the game at all? For any generic gaming program like teamspreak, this doesnt work as you can talk while everyone is in diffirent games. And all chat programs do this. You can even have an alarm clock showing up that clearly is ment to be visible. All these things do not have a direct relation to FFXIV, but can be used as such (the alarm can be as a remainder for a raid).