The nature of the Sundering has been spelled out in a Nier Reincarnation side story.

I remember people saying that the sundering didn't wipe people's memories. Well now we have confirmation that they forgot everything, even how to talk, and had to relearn how to do basic things. Pretty much had to re-evolve.

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Originally Posted by OhNooo

I remember people saying that the sundering didn't wipe people's memories. Well now we have confirmation that they forgot everything, even how to talk, and had to relearn how to do basic things. Pretty much had to re-evolve.

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Yeah I admit I thought that was an exaggeration back in ShB. Looking back now it makes sense to do so for Venats plan, ie. the discussion with the Watcher and all.

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Originally Posted by OhNooo

I remember people saying that the sundering didn't wipe people's memories. Well now we have confirmation that they forgot everything, even how to talk, and had to relearn how to do basic things. Pretty much had to re-evolve.

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I hope this stuff will settle the "was the Sundering murder?" question in favor of "yeah", since it's clear it completely destroyed people's identities and even physical forms, but I kinda doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Lurina

I hope this stuff will settle the "was the Sundering murder?" question in favor of "yeah", since it's clear it completely destroyed people's identities and even physical forms, but I kinda doubt it.

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The discussion will never end because people will never agree on what is moral, true or good, as there are as many definitions and ways of thinking about it as there are people.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What.

I'm sorry, what.

They left the Sundering horrendously vague in the grand conclusion to the five-game Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc and expanded on it in what.

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I agree, what.

A crossover event... in a game with only the most tenuous link to FFXIV, gives a big lore revelation in it? Why? So, I'm going to play Voidsent-advocate here and say, it's not to be taken seriously.

If it's in a crossover event, take it with a grain of salt, as crossover canonicity is questionable at best.

Like Eorzean spriggans showing up in Vana'diel in the FFXIV event in FFXI, or why Odin showed up in that FFXIV event in Phantasy Star Online II, it's not representative of anything deeper and is just... a hook to get non-FFXIV players in those games interested in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Lurina

A couple days ago, a new event series focusing on Emet-Selch was released written by Natsuko Ishikawa.

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This is confirmed? Faith restored in Ishikawa.

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Originally Posted by Lurina

I hope this stuff will settle the "was the Sundering murder?" question in favor of "yeah", since it's clear it completely destroyed people's identities and even physical forms, but I kinda doubt it.

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Not to mention: "In the simplest of ways, they die and die." Given they were devolved to such a primitive state it's likely their life expectancy was short as well, probably dying to things like the common cold and infections from cuts. What a horrific thought.

I'd say it's a safe bet that it can be taken seriously as canon given that the Nier universe is already directly connected to the Final Fantasy XIV universe via the Nier raid storyline. Ishikawa also had a direct hand in crafting it which suggests a desire to acknowledge and maintain a sense of canon alignment.

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Originally Posted by Lurina

I hope this stuff will settle the "was the Sundering murder?" question in favor of "yeah", since it's clear it completely destroyed people's identities and even physical forms, but I kinda doubt it.

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Honestly, that argument was always kind of a weird decoy anyway. Because sure, the sundering is murder, but you know what else is murder? Murder. And the Ascians committed a lot more murder.

It's a weird play for equivalency that then refuses to admit equivalency.

Not in the game = not canon.

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Originally Posted by Ilisidi

Not in the game = not canon.

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So we can disregard the short stories on the Lodestone then, also everything in the Encyclopedia Eorzea?

When the writer that created the character writes a story for the character, I consider it to be accurate to the character. No matter where it is shown.