The Samourai are getting it that bad ?

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Originally Posted by Ceridwen

I don't remember what it was called, but the Bard used to have this amazing, wonderful leap & shoot ability. Gone, gone, gone. It was the best and I loved it. I don't remember when they zapped it - a long time ago (something about animation length, I guess) - and the wolf guys in Yanxia still use it, the devils.

So I don't want to think of those things they took away that I still miss - I'd rather think of that hideous, dark time when Bards became an immobile casting class & it was the worst change I can imagine. They fixed that. I want to remember THAT possibility.

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Didn't mage bard last for all of HW 3.x? I mean, it's good that they changed it after, but like... ain't nobody want to deal with bad decisions for an entire xpac

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Originally Posted by xAFROx

Didn't mage bard last for all of HW 3.x? I mean, it's good that they changed it after, but like... ain't nobody want to deal with bad decisions for an entire xpac

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Yes, I guess it did. And we never got that ability back - so... Ok, not great!

Going into my SAM82 to 90 leveling post update, i didn't think it would be very different without kaiten. But getting to 90 I realize how much I'm missing the ability and how much I hate the constant shinten spam. Worse still is the you don't even have to manage kenki for your "big" spender as you got the 50 kenki gain ability on the same cooldown time as the spender. So all the kenki you get from combos are for shinten spam, and it gets old fast.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwen

I don't remember what it was called, but the Bard used to have this amazing, wonderful leap & shoot ability. Gone, gone, gone. It was the best and I loved it. I don't remember when they zapped it - a long time ago (something about animation length, I guess) - and the wolf guys in Yanxia still use it, the devils.

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Wide Volley? Only removed BRD ability that I recall with that description. Range AoE where the BRD does a backflip and shoots up into the air, then arrows rain down in a circle on the target. Removed around the same time as MCH's Granado Shot.

I wish they didn't take Grenado shot away from MCH. That was such a cool ability. :/

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

Wide Volley? Only removed BRD ability that I recall with that description. Range AoE where the BRD does a backflip and shoots up into the air, then arrows rain down in a circle on the target. Removed around the same time as MCH's Granado Shot.

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I THINK that was it. (googled, & yes, that was it) And those wolf guys still do it. I don't remember Granado shot, but I wouldn't have had a machinist back then. I don't think my bard was at the level to use WV, either - I just desperately wanted it. (I also leveled a monk so I could stand on my head & hit everything within miles with my tiny feet)

I can't believe how much worse the Samurai feels without Kaiten. This one hasn't gone past 81 with it, but my new bunny boy (who I view as her apprentice) had it with Bard as his main jobs. It's depressing.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwen

I THINK that was it. (googled, & yes, that was it) And those wolf guys still do it. I don't remember Granado shot, but I wouldn't have had a machinist back then. I don't think my bard was at the level to use WV, either - I just desperately wanted it. (I also leveled a monk so I could stand on my head & hit everything within miles with my tiny feet)

I can't believe how much worse the Samurai feels without Kaiten. This one hasn't gone past 81 with it, but my new bunny boy (who I view as her apprentice) had it with Bard as his main jobs. It's depressing.

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I leveled SAM to 90 alongside my GNB as I did msq. Those are my only jobs at cap currently. I had only recently realized I could use kaiten on ogi namikiri back in March. Whereas I had been using it at base for most of my time playing. I am not geared well. I don't do good damage in comparison to folks who play more frequently. I did used to think I was at least pretty competent with SAM though. While I can play roulettes and still consider myself versed enough to play competently, it feels off to play.

Really hope these get addressed properly soon. From the potency shifts to the tenka goken change to the kaiten removal. Don't fix what isn't broken and don't change before you're ready to implement actual change, please.

I was a dedicated SAM main but now I have fully switched to MNK. I like big numbers and Phantom Rush has more potential damage than even Ogi now. What a fall from grace. The rotation feels underwhelming without kaiten

I don't play samurai, the only reason I have this job unlocked is to flip-flop my sword in Gridania in non-legacy mode. But as someone who mained summoner, I can feel their pain.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

I was a dedicated SAM main but now I have fully switched to MNK. I like big numbers and Phantom Rush has more potential damage than even Ogi now. What a fall from grace. The rotation feels underwhelming without kaiten

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Leveling MNK would be the smart move for me since it shares gear. But I never mained it, and honestly, what little I tested of RPR feels like a complete and coherent package... like SAM and RDM did when those first launched.

I think once I get around to finishing role quests, I'll make that my next dps main until SAM is fixed.