What has gotten into the community these days?

It's called fatigue.

I love this game and I'm tired of any attempt to criticize or bring to light issues being dismissed as me being a hater or troll.

Now suddenly everyone's inflamed because SE has made the mistake of rapid-firing their mistakes instead of spacing them out as they usually do.

The forums are pretty much a circleshirk of negativity at this point.

Not that it's unwarranted- quite the opposite, a string of awful decisions tends to do that to a game- but at this point it's like pissing into an ocean of piss.

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Originally Posted by Palslow

first of all everyone has the right to express their opinion, for you it is just a game because maybe you did not invest so much emotionally, financially or time-wise, but for those who really put a lot of effort into the game it is a emotional and can be frustrating when things goes wrong or when the game goes down hill, so I can understand why they are what you call 'over react'.

So my advice to you is that, as long as they are not been toxic or aggressive, what is wrong with their opinion or so you called 'over reaction'? it does not concern you at all.

so mind your own business is the best thing you can do.

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They never said not to express your opinion. They said you can be nice about the way you express it. So someone saying not to be hateful offended you? Then you are exactly the type of person OP is talking about. It's not what you say. It's how you say it. No one will you take your opinion seriously once insults start flying out with it.

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Originally Posted by AziraSyuren

The forums are pretty much a circleshirk of negativity at this point.

Not that it's unwarranted- quite the opposite, a string of awful decisions tends to do that to a game- but at this point it's like pissing into an ocean of piss.

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If I may, I think it's mostly run rampant because there's very little faith we'll be tended to. The whole "They only listen to JP" is a common meme, true or not. So the forums here are more of a venting ground now. Doom and gloom and just getting frustrations out.

Many people nowadays are infantilized and coddled. They were never challenged on their beliefs, but their beliefs challenge them, clearly.

Anyway, I like to solve problems so I find no challenge in positivity. What's petty is disliking a person on a fairly regular opinion which is the case for this community.

"I don't like BRD or DRK" Which equals you are a hater and you're the problem. Never seen this much pathetic ignorance and victim blaming in my life.

This is mostly cultural because we're people occupying a virtual space. In other words, this is just what people do 99% of the time. Blame you for everything because they think you've earned it.

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Originally Posted by BrokentoothMarch

If I may, I think it's mostly run rampant because there's very little faith we'll be tended to. The whole "They only listen to JP" is a common meme, true or not. So the forums here are more of a venting ground now. Doom and gloom and just getting frustrations out.

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The forums have been a venting ground for a very long time now. Trust me, I know. It's a wonderful contrast to the echo-chamber of positivity that Reddit and Twitter are but when I see people shit up threads with multiple-paragraph-long conspiracy theories (that sometimes get just as many upvotes as similarly unhinged positive reddit posts lmao), I'm inclined to believe that they're every bit as deluded.

And, like, I'm no stranger to posting paragraph upon paragraph of malding over this game's shit design. Just look at some of my posts in the tank forum circa-2017. I literally dealt with awful gearing and even worse balance twice as long as healers have dealt with their own design problems. Literally, it lasted both of my first two expansions (HW and StB, although you can count StB as a bad sign for healers in retrospect so it's a bit subjective). But it just boggles my mind sometimes that people haven't adjusted their expectations yet when the devs have made the same mistakes (3.0 six month content drought and awful content in 3.1. I'm surprised the game didn't fucking die right then) or worse (the diadem in HW, all of it, and both Anemos and Pagos) in the past.

Or maybe it's just players experiencing this game's failings for the first, second, third, and fourth time consecutively, idk. But my own expectations for this game's non-raid content have been rock bottom for a while now so I'm just happy with what I get.

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Originally Posted by AziraSyuren

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I do think the rapid fire nature of it isn't helping. It's harder and harder to defend mistakes if they happen consecutively with relatively little time inbetween, people often conveniently memory-holing problems after enough time has passed. With SAM/NIN/Hroth/Viera/Housing/etc. happening in tandem, however, the usual suspects who would defend are finding it hard to hold the line and many more of those who would have helped them are becoming disillusioned.

Not to mention that there's no real way out of this. When it all comes down to it, the pretense that "It's going to be hard to find out what went wrong" when we basically all but know it was a failure to exclude an integer Unless they picked an absolutely esoteric and alien way to perform these lotteries that no other company does, which is about just as bad. screams three potential things:

-Dishonesty (In the possibility that they're acting like changing a number is truly that difficult).
-Incompetency (In the possibility that they've failed to notice a 4-line piece of code that gets QA tested even in highschool computer labs)
-Lack of Care ( In the possibility that they've grown comfortable with how complacent the community has gotten, effectively abusing it)

I agree things have been on the downtrend since StB as someone who was once such an AST main that it was my only leveled job, though I have to assume that people were more accepting of a slow decay rather than this sudden and vicious rot.

In the event my message got lost in the insane ramblings I can go on, I'll condense people's surprise into two sentences:
SE was boiling the frog. They accidentally turned up the heat too high this time and the frog noticed.

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Originally Posted by Palslow

well, first I did not say anything wrong, I just express my own opinion, if you think this is not allowed then ask yourself why you are so easily bothered and offended? maybe it is your problem rather than other people.

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I mean, they're just expressing their own opinion, so you might want to ask yourself why you're so easily bothered and offended by it.

Before you take it as a personal attack, let me be clear. The tone of a reply can make all the difference. It's fine to express a difference of opinion, but the important thing is to try and be respectful about it. Literally no-one in this thread has said you can't have an opinion nor state that opinion, but the phrasing people use when expressing it can be unnecessarily aggressive. While you expressed your opinion, you did so in a confrontational manner with the added bonus of "mind your own business". The OP was stating their opinion that people are becoming more aggressive, and you only proved their point by acting in a confrontational manner to it. Be aware that it becomes someone else's business when you're responding aggressively to them, or taking offence at things that were clearly not intended in that context.

We're all here for the same reasons - to have fun playing a game. There will be things about it you love, and things about it you don't. I've never been a huge PvP fan, but the resurgence of players in Wolves Den proves plenty are. Some people hate the ARR storyline, I personally think it's great. The best part of MMO's is that it's a melting pot of different players and preferences. If we all liked the same things, discussions would get dull pretty fast!

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Originally Posted by Shin96

Many people nowadays are infantilized and coddled. They were never challenged on their beliefs, but their beliefs challenge them, clearly.

Anyway, I like to solve problems so I find no challenge in positivity. What's petty is disliking a person on a fairly regular opinion which is the case for this community.

"I don't like BRD or DRK" Which equals you are a hater and you're the problem. Never seen this much pathetic ignorance and victim blaming in my life.

This is mostly cultural because we're people occupying a virtual space. In other words, this is just what people do 99% of the time. Blame you for everything because they think you've earned it.

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marry me ♥

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Originally Posted by BrokentoothMarch

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I don't know, every time I think of how bad times seem now, I just think about how a six month content drought with the worst, most unhealthy raid tier in this game's history was followed up by two pieces of content that were universally reviled (the Diadem and 3.1 relic grind) and one that was reviled by everyone who didn't like mindlessly grinding (PoTD) and I wonder if it's even nearly as bad. People who think it's even comparable are either misremembering or weren't around. And while I don't want to sound like some boomer who's all "your problems don't matter because mine were worse LOL" (let's be real, I probably have already), I take a little issue with people thinking that which is par for the course is the sign of some downward trend.

It's really not. A string of awful decisions followed by a massive damage control patch or two is just this game's MO.