Why Housing Was Doomed To Fail

These threads pain me :c

Am hopeful that SE will now finally take proper measures, even if its just to keep face after this... Debacle ^^

Coz in my mind, the only way to fix this mess is by increasing supply of houses.

It's not about a

"better system to acquire a house"
"instanced housing"
"add bigger Apts."

(tho the latter I'd like)

It's simply about the willingness to pick up wads of cash and make use of them - they have said cash now. Or should have it now *cough*.

I just ask you guys one thing, stop pushing for instanced housing a la BDO/whatever.

The neighbourhoods gotta stay. Imagine what'd happen if they touched that part of the code again... *shudders*

ANYWAY, they did add a bit of supply - so goodluck to all you housing Hunters out there :3

Been playing since 2k13 and managed to get a house during Shadowbringers, so you guys can do it too~

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Originally Posted by StarkeRegulus

And above all, I know most of you see Yoshida as a God,

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Yoshida sucks.

Downgrades across the game... hidden nerfs in gameplay presentated as QoL-feature... classes homogenized af and it still continues for no reason... dozens of braindead content poeple complain for years about... copy & paste each addon... housing still restricted for no reason but money, so players just CAN`T drop their subs sometimes...

The game has some cool graphics and a lot for "UwU" players. The popularity comes, because there is no real competitor next to WoW. Otherwise things would look different. Yoshido needs to give this game in some more competent hands. The ignorance is real far too long.

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Originally Posted by IckeDerTyp

Am hopeful that SE will now finally take proper measures, even if its just to keep face after this... Debacle ^^

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They actualy did.

- There is now some more supply again (its not enough, but its a 25% increase in total compared to the state before)
- Placard spamming became irrelevant (which counters the bot complaint)
- Islands also will make housing itself less interesting for people as some simply wont care about farming onions, but do want to have a house. And therefor some people will just accept this as solution and stop going for a house at all (again a way to increase supply by getting players less interested in a normal house).
- And they actualy did a split on type to counter the FC without house issue.

That its still not optimal is true, but it is an improvement. And who knows if they actualy already had plans to increase each region in the number of wards, but are delaying that after islands?

(sure, they created new issues in the process, but thats what always happens)

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"For personal houses, SE released wards 19-24. Each ward has 60 homes, and on my server, after running around for a couple of hours, about ten people were bidding on a single house, and on some plots, that went up to 30 bids. We will assume a low number of 5 per house for our purpose. That is 360 houses trying to be split between 1800 people bidding. Of course, people are going to be upset. The supply is not there. "



I also think it's strange that people relocating didn't get any type of a benefit in the lottery. If 1800 people are bidding but 50 of them are trying to relocate, if they win there are still 50 open plots somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Grimsalt

There was never enough supply, not by half. They did very little actually to fix that.

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Just to address the understatement of the year - they actually made it worse by reducing the amount of personal housing.
25% of housing only for personals does not work, especially when on a lot of servers, most FC houses are just not being bought, and then saying it's only going to be addressed once every 4 months is... It's mind boggling how this was thought to be a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Shazzinoth

Just to address the understatement of the year - they actually made it worse by reducing the amount of personal housing.
25% of housing only for personals does not work, especially when on a lot of servers, most FC houses are just not being bought, and then saying it's only going to be addressed once every 4 months is... It's mind boggling how this was thought to be a good idea.

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How was that mind boggling? If any at this point it's what's to be expected, they are clearly underestimating how much they are pissing off the community regarding the housing issue. Maybe when they lose even more players to Lost Ark they'll wake the F up.

In all the years I've played the game, I can't think of a single time where housing produced feelings of joy or happiness. The only memories I have of people interacting with the housing system that was introduced was a mix of anxiety, anger, disbelief, and cynicism. When someone makes an MMO like this and generates a system that can only be participated or experienced by those that break TOS or commit great amounts of sacrifice on their own part while still being beholden to the roll of a dice, there is no happiness.

The only fate someone has who succeeds in buying is to be beholden to a timer to keep the house alive after spending millions of gil and probably gameplay hours decorating it, with minimal gameplay functionality on top of it all.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

In all the years I've played the game, I can't think of a single time where housing produced feelings of joy or happiness. The only memories I have of people interacting with the housing system that was introduced was a mix of anxiety, anger, disbelief, and cynicism. When someone makes an MMO like this and generates a system that can only be participated or experienced by those that break TOS or commit great amounts of sacrifice on their own part while still being beholden to the roll of a dice, there is no happiness.

The only fate someone has who succeeds in buying is to be beholden to a timer to keep the house alive after spending millions of gil and probably gameplay hours decorating it, with minimal gameplay functionality on top of it all.

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Preach. Was meant to be fun, it's not and it bars content and functionality behind it.

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Originally Posted by Shazzinoth

Just to address the understatement of the year - they actually made it worse by reducing the amount of personal housing.
25% of housing only for personals does not work, especially when on a lot of servers, most FC houses are just not being bought, and then saying it's only going to be addressed once every 4 months is... It's mind boggling how this was thought to be a good idea.

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I understand that the overall percentage of personal housing may have decreased, but hasn't the total number of personal plots on each server increased?

Or they actually shrink or re-zone the previously existing wards like the Goblet? I hadn't noticed that.

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Originally Posted by Grimsalt

The entire issue is a lack of supply. There is not a system that SE could put in that makes such a low supply feel good to people. It just isn't going to happen. Far more people don't own a house than do own one, and while we don't have numbers on that, I could only assume that is pretty significant considering the sheer amount of bids.

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The system was doomed to fail because of the direction the developers took with the game.. housing was meant to be this multiplayer component that free companies could all work together and build. And it was originally going g to be supported by vast amounts of free company centric content to build bonds and promote team work. And community. You know like an actual MMO.

The direction the devs have taken with the game basically says screw all of that and let's make it a single player game. We'll do everything we can to make socialising and building strong connections between players as difficult as possible..

Drove massive wedges between free companies and groups of players and essentially separated them all into much smaller almost individual groups. How many 1 man FCs are there.

Had they stayed on the path of an MMO and not some single player game. There would honestly not be a housing crisis. Because the game would have actual fc based content and be focused around building bonds between players and playing together instead of playing alone..

TLDR. Housing was doomed to fail because its an MMO design in a single player game..