(6.X Spoilers/Theory) Future WOL Content - Everything’s Coming Up…

The new story certainly is trying to ram home that you're supposedly just a 'simple adventurer' again (I mean, it's right there in the patch's title; 'Newfound Adventure').. except, well, that's clearly just a fallacy given how the first attempts to be one again have kind of gone off the rails: a spontaenous trip investigating an 'ancient ruin' simply for the riches it supposedly contained nearly got them in serious hot water with the Hannish government (it was only because of well, everything you and the Scions did for Thavnair throughout EW did Vrtra and Radz-at-Han not pursue formal repercussions, any normal adventurer however would have been charged as the thief and intruder they were and be thrown into prison for the rest of their life - hence, that's the last time I'm taking advice from Tataru. ;)).

So, yeah, I don't see the 'simple adventurer' gimmick lasting, especially with the Void coming back into focus and the new villians now hinted - having the lofty reputation as the WoL does tend to provide just as much protection politically as it causes issues personally. ;)

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

The new story certainly is trying to ram home that you're supposedly just a 'simple adventurer' again (I mean, it's right there in the patch's title; 'Newfound Adventure').. except, well, that's clearly just a fallacy given how the first attempts to be one again have kind of gone off the rails: a spontaenous trip investigating an 'ancient ruin' simply for the riches it supposedly contained nearly got them in serious hot water with the Hannish government (it was only because of well, everything you and the Scions did for Thavnair throughout EW did Vrtra and Radz-at-Han not pursue formal repercussions, any normal adventurer however would have been charged as the thief and intruder they were and be thrown into prison for the rest of their life - hence, that's the last time I'm taking advice from Tataru. ;)).

So, yeah, I don't see the 'simple adventurer' gimmick lasting, especially with the Void coming back into focus and the new villians now hinted - having the lofty reputation as the WoL does tend to provide just as much protection politically as it causes issues personally. ;)

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Indeed. This is why I think the “simple adventurer” is a narrative dodge - and we’re actually setting up our “Azem Quest” series, where we examine what it is to be a wanderer, an adventurer, and probably (again) what makes a “hero.”

I can see the writers examining all these facets using shards of Azem quite easily. Some Azems we meet will be heroes, some villains, some lonely wanderers - and I’m hoping at least one Azem will be a Spriggan touring in a rock band.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Are we even considered to be the 'Warrior of Light' at this point?

So far as I recall, we were rarely - if ever - referred to as such in the new content.

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Id say no, Tataru specifically said to put aside all titles and just be an adventurer again. But i think the catch is that while the WOL can put aside their title, the people who know them will not at least... in eorzea. But accross the sea? In the places we havent been to in ilsabard and in the far east, not to mention the other reflections I think in those places the WOLcan just be an adventurer... until the populous coin a new title that is.

I don't think we will get much on Azem, barring maybe vague cutscenes. A bit part of the appeal with Azem is that to us they're an enigmatic figure, SE knowing this probably don't want to overextend on Azem but instead just leave it on the players' imagination for the character.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I don't think we will get much on Azem, barring maybe vague cutscenes. A bit part of the appeal with Azem is that to us they're an enigmatic figure, SE knowing this probably don't want to overextend on Azem but instead just leave it on the players' imagination for the character.

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I’m still in the camp that we’ll eventually play as Azem, because we are Azem - through shard collection and time travel shenanigans. Personally I’m kinda excited to send my WOL on a loopy adventure like that. Maybe we’ll get a clearer picture once we get the scoop on Zenos’ void buddy. If that’s an Azem shard, then I’d bet we’re eventually snatching them all.

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Originally Posted by Shookbeast

I’m still in the camp that we’ll eventually play as Azem, because we are Azem - through shard collection and time travel shenanigans. Personally I’m kinda excited to send my WOL on a loopy adventure like that. Maybe we’ll get a clearer picture once we get the scoop on Zenos’ void buddy. If that’s an Azem shard, then I’d bet we’re eventually snatching them all.

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I think the best I can personally see is us having flashbacks to what our original plan was... Why did we boycott the convocation and in equal measure why we didn't answer Venat's call? (But then I suppose there's no real appropriate time for this now, unless they fit it within the 8-man raid series) We must have been working on something significant, and I personally cannot see us boycotting the world to cherish some more sublime grapes, or maybe this time she wanted to save blueberries, but I kid...

I can see us potentially exploring more of what we were up to, I don't think they'll ever want to have us doing a collect 'em all outside of the void fragment, that is if the hypothesis is correct, but then it stands to question can we even rejoin with it. They won't want us going all out massacring our fragments. I think the game would do better with a power sink than a power increase.

Again, the enigmatic nature of our unsundered self is what makes the character itself appealing. The more they reveal the figure, the less appealing said figure becomes. They made a dangerous call when they started breaking that wall with character identity, so I think they'll just maintain the status quo of us not being Azem, but an inheritor of a fragment of their soul.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I think the best I can personally see is us having flashbacks to what our original plan was... Why did we boycott the convocation and in equal measure why we didn't answer Venat's call? (But then I suppose there's no real appropriate time for this now, unless they fit it within the 8-man raid series) We must have been working on something significant, and I personally cannot see us boycotting the world to cherish some more sublime grapes, or maybe this time she wanted to save blueberries, but I kid...

I can see us potentially exploring more of what we were up to, I don't think they'll ever want to have us doing a collect 'em all outside of the void fragment, that is if the hypothesis is correct, but then it stands to question can we even rejoin with it. They won't want us going all out massacring our fragments. I think the game would do better with a power sink than a power increase.

Again, the enigmatic nature of our unsundered self is what makes the character itself appealing. The more they reveal the figure, the less appealing said figure becomes. They made a dangerous call when they started breaking that wall with character identity, so I think they'll just maintain the status quo of us not being Azem, but an inheritor of a fragment of their soul.

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I agree that we’ll probably explore what Azem was doing during the sundering. It’s a big dangling plot thread. We might get to explore it in an expansion - or they’ll simply wrap it up during this patch series. For example they could just tell us Azem made the 12 and that’s why they were busy. The end. Not terribly satisfying - but possible. (And I hope they don’t go that rout).

I don’t think it’s dangerous at all though to explore Azem, especially if we get to play as that character eventually. If we eventually find out that we are Azem through shard collection and time travel - then we’ll get to interpret Azem’s actions just as we do our current character, because they’ll be the same person.

Also, we never hear about Azem being particularly good at any of the Ancient stuff. What if Emet is so disdainful of our character on Elpis, because Azem (our character) is really, really bad at making things with our mind. Emet might be like, “Of course Azem made that ugly little familiar.” If we do go back in time to work with the Ancients, and become Azem, we wouldn’t know the first thing about using our powers. We might even get sent to school just to learn the basics. Which could be fun (:

I'm wondering if the Twelve predate the Convocation and Azem's title was named after Azeyma. We still don't know what the Twelve actually are other than their insistence that they're not primals, so who knows. Maybe they were around before Amaurot and inspired them, too.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I'm wondering if the Twelve predate the Convocation and Azem's title was named after Azeyma. We still don't know what the Twelve actually are other than their insistence that they're not primals, so who knows. Maybe they were around before Amaurot and inspired them, too.

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id honestly be ok with that angle. with a large portion of the lore eventually tying back to the ancients imo itd be great for something to predate them.

Perhaps the Twelve were the ancient companions/friends of Azem (the one before Venat maybe?)

It surely seems connected with the Ancients, there are some similarities in the "spirals" structures on the roofs at the Phantom Realm!