Unpopular Opinion: This new PvP State is horrible

I tried to like this mode a lot. But I am settling down to just trying to farm out my mounts and then never touching it again... its most def not for everyone. But I think their goal was not to make it appeal to everyone, its just to make it better than what it was, and its def an improvement.

For a while I was thinking, maybe I am just too old and this is just too fast for me. But I just honestly have no clue half the time on what the fudge is going on on the map. Not to mention there are now afk-ers in normal mode and cheaters... Some people just join in to get their 250 wolfmakr and wait till we lose and then leave... not cool bro.

Honestly this game mode makes me so pissed whenever I play it, I just need to keep reminding myself "this is not all there is to ffxiv, and you can do other things" - but then again, I am really obsessed with farming out mounts... this is so hard for my potato collector brain to manage.

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Originally Posted by Lainio

While I like the new animations/combos etc. I heavily dislike the new potencies.
Healer got cut by a lot and made them pretty much useless. They are just weaker DPS now.
All in all it feels more like GW2's system than FFXIV's.

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Depends which healer you're talking about. WHM is overpowered as hell, everysingle game has atleast one.
The other healers? Sage is really good cuz of its absurd damage. But Astro & Scholar are trash.

But this is THE best the pvp has ever been since it came out. I've never pvped this much before in this game & pvp is usually my primary gameplay in mmorpgs.
Every class felt sluggish as hell & had long ass rotations just to do anything. Imagine if every class had Monks spammable & that was every class previously.
God awful.

Im so happy they fixed pvp. All we need now is a bit of nerf/buffing, fix the cheats & pvp is perfect.
I mean not like cheats didn't exist before, it's just more obvious & rampant now because of CC.

And you can't really argue objectively against the current PVP state. It went from 1 person in Wolfs Den to hundreds. You have thousands of people in each region queueing.
It's more active players in 1 day now than it used to be in 6 months, and thats being nice.
No more revamping needing to be done, just buff/nerf accordingly as needed.

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Originally Posted by Freemind

Every class felt sluggish as hell & had long ass rotations just to do anything.

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Originally Posted by Freemind

Im so happy they fixed pvp.

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They didn't change much in terms of rotations and "sluggishness".
Have you not pvped since HW?

They did break Frontline and Rival Wings though.

The issue is you could still have psuedo "roles" without having dedicated roles if they just balanced it properly, but it's their first part of the revamp so I'm willing to give them a LITTLE more time. Right now it's had a few weeks to settle in and get going and I feel that we now know what a lot of the failures in the system are regarding potencies/kits/etc for things like WHM/WAR/RDM/DRG/SAM/etc.

I will agree it feels a bit like GW2 to me, because it's a separate mode made to allow a player to not get screwed over by not having a healer I think it's a much more "free" mode by comparison. Because you can heal yourself and mitigate if played properly, it feels like you're not screwed by default for not having someone heal you or play their role well enough. On the OPPOSITE side of that spectrum however, you feel you're screwed by default now because you can be a team of 5 dps against a team of WHM/WAR/RDM/SAM/MCH and get obliterated because of the imbalances in the individual classes' kits.

While balancing can come with less "fun" compared to being able to go hog wild like they did this run, I find it really odd that we created roles and the matchmaking "tries" to balance around that while still not acknowledging the huge disparity of the roles in general.

WHM = Simultaneously burst, protect, aoe heal, individual heal, instant castable fast filling LB that is a stun nuke with aoe regen + Damage/mitigation/heal buff for the WHM.
SGE = You can apply dosis barriers every 30s and do some dps if the enemy is stupid enough to not focus you.

One of these things is not like the other. While an argument could be made for SGE's DPS, when you're the "one healer" on the team vs a WHM the balancing feels bad because there aren't any other classes that can fill that "role" as well you can. My feeling was like "oh that's why GNB can junction a healer to balance that out" but the healing from their junction is hilariously bad, requires you not to get stunlocked to use, is bound by a melee combo and radius, and they have no mitigation to assure they can actually pop it off.

I see the a sort of categorization of skills to make this possible:

Mitigation = Keeping yourself/allies from dying.
CC = stun/silence/bind/heavy
Utility = Buffs/Debuffs both to targets and to allies.
DPS = obvious

In a more balanced world to me the roles would be:

TANK = Mitigation/CC
HEALER = Utility/CC
RANGED DPS = DPS/Utility
MELEE DPS = DPS/mitigation
MAGIC = DPS/CC

All of them would still HAVE dps and personal utility, but some would excel where others do less. Right now classes like RDM can both do major damage but at a the blink of an eye heal mitigate and put a stacking shield on themselves and then get out of the situation, including a long range stun. In theory you could still provide more "grey area" between the roles (like DRG being medium class armor and therefore having more tank like abilities) but it needs to balanced. Some kits have literally everything you could need and others have baffling lack of options.

The end result should not be "I'm screwed because I have a GNB/PLD" it should be "I have to adapt how I play because PLD/GNB do x differently than a WAR" and being able to adapt instead of get stomped/denied completely.

I'm quite confident they will balance things out very soon. A CC Chain of 10s+ is a thing of 15 years past in other games. They will most likely nerf some LBs too. White mages, warriors, red mages, and others have too much of everything.

Well, the novelty is wearing out and you start to see how poorly executed everything is. They'd better get to work or soon pvp will become a very niche, almost forgotten thing again.

Where's this confidence come from? Balance was never good before. What's going to change now? We hadn't even gotten a "yeah we're looking into it" post.

I agree as a tournament pvp player. They really butchered the whole pvp mode. Frontline is dead mostly cause of the rework.
I'm sorry developers but your hype for crystal conflict and negligence towards truly the 3 main aspects of pvp
1. Duels[competitive]
2. Frontlines
3. Crystal Conflict

Since it's solely made for a high pace mode and the developers and testers for a fact don't know how to play at a high level, or understand the true role of pvp'ing.

It was expected to be a headless horse kinda deal. I am not trying to be mean to you developers. But you did butcher pvp in its entirety.
1. Lowering the skill ceiling/gap; with Fewer skills(buttons) it raises the floor, and lowered the ceiling
2. [Will come back to it, but it's mostly class/ role respective]
So Yoshi P, and Developers. Good job at not knowing what you were doing. It's very clear to the targeted audience on your "research".

Before anyone even makes a reply to me, make sure of this. One, Rank to me doesn't matter cause last tier I was unranked and beat 95% of the players. Two, dueling 1 v 1 is much more skill based.

I'll add more if need be.

I think it has potential, they just launched with some very stupid ideas. I mean, seriously, who the hell makes a gamemode full of CCs but doesn't add a DR mechanic? You can get stunned back to back. Oh, you're out of purify? Well tough luck. Oh WHM turned you into an Imp? Well have fun being useless for 2 seconds while getting mowed down.

Some job balancing is also extremely questionable, WHMs get their LB super fast and have a broken CC, RDMs are extremely overtuned, SAMs shouldn't give Kuzushi to people that hit them by mistake with AoE since this basically removes the only way to counter their LB(Not attacking them), Machinist having a 5% chance to instakill is just... This one is just extremely dumb... WAR having basically more and better utility than any other tank, basically rendering the others useless, etc.

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

I think it has potential, they just launched with some very stupid ideas. I mean, seriously, who the hell makes a gamemode full of CCs but doesn't add a DR mechanic? You can get stunned back to back. Oh, you're out of purify? Well tough luck. Oh WHM turned you into an Imp? Well have fun being useless for 2 seconds while getting mowed down.

Some job balancing is also extremely questionable, WHMs get their LB super fast and have a broken CC, RDMs are extremely overtuned, SAMs shouldn't give Kuzushi to people that hit them by mistake with AoE since this basically removes the only way to counter their LB(Not attacking them), Machinist having a 5% chance to instakill is just... This one is just extremely dumb... WAR having basically more and better utility than any other tank, basically rendering the others useless, etc.

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Correct on many occasions. RDM is overtuned. Just like last tier. They were not worth fighting 1 v 1.
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